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[ClutchFans] Houston Rockets Salary Cap Update (Updated: 3/2/2011)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BimaThug, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. Commodore

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    I want Hayes to get signed by a contender to play the Haslem star-stopper role. He deserves a shot at a ring.
     
  2. Easy

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    In the short run, you are right. Whoever have the stars look good. But all stars will fade eventually. In the long run, dumb managements will do dumb things to handcuff themselves and cannot reload.

    In this business, one dumb mistake can set you back for years. Look at teams like Cleveland, Minny, New York, New Jersey. Heck, look at the Rockets. We still haven't recovered from some mistakes management made 10 years ago.

    Amnesty let the dumb teams recover faster than they deserve.
     
  3. heypartner

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    You can't measure the Rockets in isolation. We have measure how Amnesty helps other teams, too. How does Amnesty helps us more than others? It helps the most poorly run teams more, right? -- dropping one big/huge contract. We don't really have albatross contracts like other teams do.
     
  4. BimaThug

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    If the proposed amnesty rule (which in this case--unlike in 2005--involves both SALARY CAP and luxury tax relief) is eventually part of the new CBA, then I think some additional provisions should be put in place to reward the teams that opt not to use it.

    Like others have said, why should a team like Houston (which has carefully managed its cap situation the past few years) and Indiana (which has endured years of mediocrity specifically in order to clear the decks in 2011 with planned cap room) be left in a similar cap situation to other franchises that have been much more poorly run? It's simply not fair and counter to much of what the two sides are purporting to accomplish.

    Here are some initial thoughts I have to at least partially alleviate the sting to the better-run franchises and to make the amnesty provision a little more fair:

    --RE-ORDER THE 2012 NBA DRAFT BASED ON WHO USES THE AMNESTY PROVISION:

    Any team availing itself of the amnesty provision automatically has its 2012 pick (whether that team owns it or not) go to the "back of the line" of either of two groups: (1) lottery picks and (2) non-lottery picks. Any team owning the pick of a team that uses the amnesty provision AS OF JUNE 30, 2011 should be granted an additional compensatory pick, either (1) starting at #15, for teams owning another team's lottery pick, in order of worst record of the team using the amnesty provision or (2) starting after the last "first round pick", for teams owning another team's non-lottery pick, in a similar fashion.

    For example, if all NBA teams finished with the season with the same records as they had in 2010-11, and if Minnesota (the team with the league's worst record) was the only lottery team to take advantage of the amnesty rule, then the Wolves would "slot in" at #14, the Rockets would move up to #13, and so on; and the NBA draft lottery would attribute the odds of winning in a similar fashion. Assuming that the Wolves do not win the lottery, the Clippers (who own Minnesota's 2012 pick) would end up picking (in addition to their own pick, if they still own it) at #14 (Minnesota's pick) and also no lower than #15 (a compensatory pick based on Minnesota having the worst record). Similarly, if the Pacers were the only playoff team to take advantage of the amnesty rule, they would pick at #30 (or later, depending on the number of compensatory "lottery" picks).

    The biggest problem with my proposal is that it could allow a team like Minnesota to say, "F you" to the Clippers and stick them with a potentially lower lottery pick; but even then, the "re-ordering" (i.e., being moved to the back of the line) would be known BEFORE the 2011-12 season is even played. Minnesota wouldn't want to purposely lose AFTER using the amnesty provision, especially if it doesn't help them in any way. I could however, see a couple of teams owing picks using this system to screw over other teams; but the compensatory picks should at least partially soften this blow. For example, the Knicks could screw over the Rockets by using the amnesty rule, potentially catapulting their pick from the "early non-lotto" range all the way down towards the end of the first round. The Rockets would then have to take that pick plus a compensatory pick (~#29? + ~#34?) in lieu of a higher pick (~#19?).


    --SIMPLY OFFER COMPENSATORY PICKS IN 2012:

    A simpler--albeit less influential--way to reward teams for not having to take advantage of the amnesty rule is to offer them compensatory picks after the lottery selections, in order of 2011-12 record from worst to best; and these teams would not be obligated to trade those picks pursuant to a prior obligation to trade "their own pick", giving those teams more flexibility to trade other future picks next season without worrying (as much) about the Stepien rule (which says that teams cannot be without a guaranteed first round pick in consecutive future drafts).

    For instance, if the only teams not to use the amnesty rule are the Clippers, Houston, Indiana, Sacramento, Minnesota and Washington, then those teams would get to select at picks #15-20 in the 2012 NBA Draft. The Rockets (who owe a top-14 protected 2012 pick to New Jersey) would NOT have to relinquish that pick . . . plus, since they would be guaranteed to get the pick, Houston could use that pick in trades without regard to the Stepien rule.


    --AWARD "SPECIAL TRADE EXCEPTIONS" TO TEAMS NOT USING THE AMNESTY PROVISION:

    Another reward to teams not availing themselves of the amnesty provision--which could possibly be combined with one of the alternatives above--is to award to each such team a "special trade exception" in the amount of [the average salary of the players waived under the amnesty rule???] that CAN be combined with player salaries OR used as "additional cap space" in trades.

    The players union would probably LOVE this idea (since it would promote more spending on player salaries). The owners (at least those from the less-well-run teams) . . . not so much.
     
  5. RocketsMAN!

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    YES!! Anything for the benefit of my well managed team!
     
  6. heypartner

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    BimaThug,

    Good idea. Made me think that you could also delay the effect of the Amnesty for a year. The salary comes of the books as normal but there remains a Cap Hold, so to speak, for a year -- ie, you don't get to spend the savings for a year. And you give the non-users some type of reward per your comments.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Bima,

    How many teams are in our situation versus the number in a situation that is bumping up against the cap?

    Seems to me that since anything has to be ratified by a majority of the clubs, that anything benefitting the Rockets would have to be aligned with the majority of the other clubs.

    DD
     
  8. steddinotayto

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    I love the ideas you proposed BimaThug and I'd like to add onto it.

    Any team that uses the Amnesty Provision will forfeit the picks it originally had based on the length of contract (guaranteed years only) it decides to use the provision on.

    For example, if the Mavericks decide to get rid of Haywood contract with 5 years remaining, it would forfeit its 1st Round draft pick for the next five years.

    Sure it's a steep price to pay but if the team didn't foolishly dole out money in the first place, then they wouldn't be in this position to use the Provision.

    So a team like the Magic can take Turkoglu off of its cap and agree to forfeit its picks for the next 2 years (since his last year is a player option).
     
  9. xiki

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    Any amnesty would be part of any new CBA, thus clubs and players would have to sign on.

    BTW - - Bima, I think your idea has merit. Thus, it has no chance...more's the pity.
     
  10. xiki

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    One more thing - - is Houston or Indy or some other team under the cap and/or with no bad contracts necessarily better operated than the Lakers? Celts? Spurs?

    In today's NBA who is better matrixed than OKC for wins v $s? Or perhaps worse than Pistons or Wiz, for example.

    Are Clips well managed? Etc.

    I do like the general idea but regrettably, there are a whole lot of holey holes in it.
     
  11. BimaThug

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    Nice thought. I would note, however, that you simply further reward the teams that have already traded away future first rounders. You can't punish the teams to which those future picks have been traded. And how is that fair to the other teams? Hence, the preference for both re-ordering the draft and giving other teams compensatory picks. Not an exact science, to be sure!
     
  12. BimaThug

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    DD, xiki - you are both correct.

    I guess no good deed (running a team with a fairly clean cap situation) goes unpunished.
     
  13. djperm

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    Rockets would be wise to aspire and if necessary pay for a Superstar like Dwight Howard. Lowry, (Martin & Scola- w/ some tweaking on D) are Stars in my book.

    Mediocrity tastes lousy and its time to take it off the Dang menu !
     
  14. Damion Laverne

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    Maybe the league should make the draft lottery a TRUE lottery with all teams who don't make the playoffs buying "tickets" hoping to strike it rich (make those first 14 really up for grabs)

    Or maybe the league should have a tournament between the non-playoff teams to compete for the first 14 picks in the draft.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Yes that is my point, that the majority of clubs would benefit from it, and thus teams like the Rockets who get nothing out of it are screwed.

    DD
     
  16. RedDragon01

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    I'm not sure giving the wealthiest teams a better chance to build a franchise would be the right solution. I even thought about maybe having the money that goes into buying those tickets returned to the teams in reverse order. But that still has the teams that are most able to contribute enormous amounts of money grabbing up those highly coveted top draft picks.

    This could be done in two ways, and both ways will get the same response from me.

    First, you could have the winningest of the worst teams win that top draft spot, and so the worst teams in the draft would not get the help they need to get out of the hole.

    Secondly, you could have the losingest team of the tournament get that top spot, and that would only promote even more tanking, as they would all be playing to lose to win the prize, in which case...what's the point of the tournament?

    In either case, this doesn't seem like the right solution.

    I like how you're thinking outside the box. But it's going to take more ideas to get to the solution.
     
  17. Carl Herrera

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    Why do you want to help out welfare queens like Donald Sterling?
     
  18. BimaThug

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    That's what the league's salary FLOOR is for: to prevent cheapskates like Sterling (and now the Maloofs) from stripping down payroll to ridiculous levels. If a team has a team salary below that threshold, it has to cut a check to the league for the difference. Hell, you saw that in effect at this year's trade deadline, when Sacramento traded for Marquis Daniels's injured corpse just so that it could (barely) make the minimum team salary mandated by the league.

    The amnesty rule benefits those most who try to "out-spend" other teams for players. There is no converse "amnesty" for the cheapskates like Sterling. I'm fairly certain that a minimum team salary will continue to be a part of the next CBA.
     
  19. Carl Herrera

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    I agree with the above. Though I wasn't talking about the amnesty rule or even "cheap" owners when I talked about helping out the welfare queens like Sterling. Instead I was referring to the general sentiment that bad, and badly managed, teams are deserving of being rewareded with top picks and other goodies to help them.

    To me, the problem isn't so much whether an owner is willing to spend, but rather whether an owner and his staff manage to team competently. A James Dolan is just as damaging to the league as a Donald Sterling and the Donald Sterling who blew $65 million on a bad contract depresses Clippers fan interest as much as the Donald Sterling who refuses to spend.

    The NBA is like a classroom where the teacher spends most of his/her time and resources on the few problem children and leaving the rest of the class alone. Not productive to maximizing the collective good, or the collective income of the league.
     
  20. xiki

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    The Rox would gain from (being able to) add from the pool of the cut. It remains my hope and belief for any salvation from annual picks from #14-#16.
     

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