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Kevin McHale is a HOF player, therefore he will be a great coach

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CXbby, Jun 6, 2011.

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  1. MiracleShot

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    Fail thread. What Carl Herrera said earlier was indeed an argument. Your statement says that Kevin McHale will be a great coach because he was a HOF player. Carl showed many coaches that were HOF players but not great coaches. I'm quite surprised that you had to have someone spell it out for you, but that is what he was implying.
     
  2. meh

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    The thing is, people don't use logic to form their beliefs. But rather, we use logic to confirm our beliefs. But when such logic do not exist, we still hold on to those beliefs and simply ignore the lack of logic behind such opinions.

    Because people here don't like McHale, they can immediately see the very simple logic error in your OP statement. Because their immediate, non-reasoning reaction is that they don't believe McHale can succeed. So they look for reasons to support that opinion. And it's readily available, since your OP post was horribly illogical in the first place.

    But when it comes to McHale the ex-GM, the opinion is that he sucked. So to extrapolate that into "he can still be a good coach even though he gave KG 50% of cap money and put Joe Smith thing in writing and screwed the franchise" is unfathomable. Hence, even though in both cases there's very little correlation between two jobs, people's opinion become vastly different.

    BTW, I'm as guilty of this type of thinking as anyone. The only reason I don't show it with McHale is because I dislike forming absolute opinions on matters I don't know.
     
  3. CXbby

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    You must spread some Rep blah blah blah.

    That is an incredibly apt observation. Maybe lacking in "intelligence" isn't the right choice of words. Or I was just being mean. :) Lacking in logic, lacking in objective thinking, incapable of overcoming emotional biases etc may be more applicable.

    However, you gotta admit, watching people trying to explain to me why my logic is horrible the last few pages is pretty entertaining. I mean, seriously guys, I think I'm going to need some more X, Y, Zs in order to understand. Maybe a JCDenton graph or two to boot.
     
  4. Easy

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    CXbby has only himself to blame because his thread title misled people to argue about something else. He thinks that's a clever way to trap people, but instead, he just pissed off people from having a rational discussion with him.

    I used to respect CXbby as a poster. Nowadays, he's become the PR machine for Rockets management.
     
  5. CXbby

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    I created a thread that was not meant to be understood until it was meant to be understood. The only people left pissed off are the ones who still do not understand.

    Explain to me why I would want rational discussion with people who have already made up their minds? All there is left to do is make them look stupid. Which plenty are doing as you can see in this thread. Or maybe you don't. I am the only stupid one of course.

    No, no. Easy.

    You used to respect CXbby as a poster, when you used to agree with him. Now that you do not, he is the worst poster alive. It's okay. You aren't alone. Read up on that meh post again btw, incredibly applicable to your situation.
     
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    I don't want to argue with you anymore because it is clear that it's no use. When I asked you where you got the coaches blowing Alexander off and you gave me that answer, I knew it's no use saying anything anymore.

    Go read Huricane's post: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=6164964&postcount=81

    He said it way better than I could.
     
  7. CXbby

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    This...He's indirectly admitted as much when he stated that he's never criticized the front office since Morey became GM. In all fairness, however, he's not the only one. There are other posters on this website that do the same thing.
     
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    I'm enjoying the beautiful weather in San Francisco, my SO and I showing our teenage daughter this magnificent city for the first time and blessed with sunshine and temps in the 60's, so I'm not sure why I'm subjecting myself to your current personality, which has gone far off the reservation, you being someone I've had good conversations with in the past, which seems like a dim memory at this point, but I can't let this slip by.

    Supposedly a bad GM? Explain, please. I might not be able to reply for a while, depending on how long the rest of my family unit (the ones who are here) take a nap to rest up for tonight.
     
  10. CXbby

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    Sure, I'll address that in a sec.

    But first off let me just comment on this sentiment of yours towards me. Unlike for a few others around here who share your opinions on me and the current predicament of the franchise, I have actually had plenty of respect for you in the past. That is something I have repeated a few times in the last few conversations of ours in an attempt to reach out to you. Because while I have no problem giving most a piece of my mind around here, when it comes to guys I actually respect, I take no pleasure when our arguments boil over like it has the last few times re: Adelman/McHale/Morey/Les. You call it my "current personality", when you should know better. I have always been an *******, and that is even something you ribbed me on in the past. The only reason you took it lightheartedly at the time was because you AGREED with me. This is what I said to Easy as well. Nothing has changed, except we are talking about a subject that is obviously sensitive and you vehemently disagree with me. That isn't something that is going to change anytime soon, I suspect. So between you and me, I hope we can keep it cordial in the meantime. And hopefully continue a friendship sometime in the future. At least I'll try my best.


    On to your question.

    First off, I am a little disappointed that out of the entire post that you quoted, this was what you had a problem with. Whether I said "supposedly" or "definitely the worst GM EVARRR" is irrelevant to the point that I was making. So if you would like me to take that out, my post still stands. The point of the post, and the thread, is a great player does not make a great coach, JUST LIKE a bad GM does not make a bad coach. The latter being a logic often misused around here, including by yourself. Funny how most spotted the bad logic in the first statement right off the bat in comparison.

    As for why I said "supposedly", I'd give credit where it's due:

    To be honest, I was as ignorant about the Twolves as the rest of you when McHale's name first popped up. Because who really cares about the Twolves. I simply assumed that the conventional wisdom that McHale ran that franchise to the ground was true. However, I've always held the position that that has little to do with his coaching ability. Not until Carl brought it to my attention did I open my eyes to look deeper. Not that anyone is saying he is a great GM or anything close. Just that if you look at the details with an open mind, he may not have been as much of a sure-fire disaster that we are led to believe.

    Anyways, I hope you keep an open mind about things like that, the state of the franchise, and even me. Hope you enjoy your time in SF.
     
    #70 CXbby, Jun 8, 2011
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