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[Mythbuster] The front office telling the coach how to coach

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CXbby, Jun 6, 2011.

  1. Chris Jent MVP

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    there is a middle ground in between dumping a player, and shoving him down the teams throat.
     
  2. CXbby

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    Dude. What are you talking about? I never said anything about who should play who what when how. I never said Adelman was wrong or Morey was right. All I said was the offense didn't function better with Chase. Let's get back on track:

    I'm dead serious. I think we've gotten to a great point in this thread, and this is the PERFECT example. You believe the offense functioned better with Chase instead of Battier. Based on what I have no idea. I can only assume it is perception, since FACTS do not agree with you. Here is a clue:

    Go look up the offensive efficiency of this lineup-

    Lowry/Martin/Battier/Scola/Hayes

    And compare it to the offensive efficiency of this lineup-

    Lowry/Martin/Budinger/Scola/Hayes

    Then come back and tell me how Budinger made our offense so much better. You can find this information at some of the most common stat sites like 82games.

    For those people who are wondering what is the value of analytics, and how it can complement the use of your eyes, this is it.
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    lowry had more minutes than brooks

    mythbusting
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    yes we have gotten to a great point, how about we just start out with a tried and true statistic, WINS
     
  5. CXbby

    CXbby Member

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    Seriously, what are you talking about? You said the offense functioned better with Budinger than Battier. Those are YOUR words. What does any of this have to do with WINS?
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    you're right what does wins have anything to do with the offense functioning better, i'm such a stupid non statistic understanding fan. i shouldn't be arguing about wins, lets just look at offensive efficiency.

    i mean you're right, stupid me for thinking the offense was better reflected by their record. adelman must go morey is god

    you're right dude, we've reached a great point in this thread
     
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    For the record, Brooks and Battier were traded primarily because they were about to be free agents who would earn a lot more than we were willing to pay, not because of on-court issues.
     
  8. Chris Jent MVP

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    however many minutes brooks played, it was too many. he sucked when he was on the floor this year. bust that.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    you're right, maybe lowry should have gone from not starting to playing 48 minutes a game
     
  10. Chris Jent MVP

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    thats just a nice way of saying that they have declining value. if the rockets thought they were worth the money, they would pay it.

    they didn't let lowry walk because he was about to get paid. they paid him. because he was worth it.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    looking at the 82game statistics, battier is helped out by playing with the starters for more minutes, that's how I comprehend them. individually chase has a better +/- for the season.
     
  12. Geaux Rockets

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    Yes, everyone is well aware that the Rockets won more games after the trade deadline when Brooks and Battier were traded away and Budinger was inserted into the starting lineup. We know this fact, but we're much more interested in the question of WHY we were better after these events. The wins statistic can be affected by a number of variables, moreso than any other individual stat that one would look at, which is why it is not a good one to isolate when comparing individual players. Anyway, your claim that the offense was better because we replaced Shane with Chase and that this is the reason we won more games after the trade deadline is very likely a false statement. This is what CXbby was arguing against when he posted the evidence of offensive efficiency comparing the lineups with Battier and Budinger, he was not arguing whether or not the team as a whole performed better post-trade.
     
  13. Chris Jent MVP

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    was lowry playing 48 minutes when brooks was injured ?? how did the rotation change when brooks went out, and how did it change when he came back ?? are/were there any other players besides lowry ?? how did the quality of the pg position and the overall team play change when brooks was in/out of the lineup ??? maybe you ought to pay attention to these things before spouting random nonsense.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    well i responded to the evidence, just so i won't be labeled some ignorant fan who actually still relies on win/loss records god forbid
     
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    Morey dealt him, and Adelman was upset about it... even going public about being upset. I think you know the answer.

    I also do not see how you cannot believe that the trades had nothing to do with the friction, Adelman wanted more input on the trades the Rockets made.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    they're going to play brooks, they're invested in him. this isn't fantasy bball, you have to keep playing the viable starters to get a feel for your team now and in the future.
     
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    btw the rockets were five hundred when brooks was out for what its worth, i know wins and losses don't count with some of you guys
     
  18. CXbby

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    You are all over the place. YOU talked about offense, so I referred to offensive efficiency. If you want to talk about wins, there is a lot more that goes into it than just offense. Either way, no one is denying our offense got better. Re-read what I wrote:

    Telling me the offense was better because of WINSSSS!!!!! not only is a very shallow way of looking at things, more importantly, it says NOTHING about WHY the offense functioned better. In case, you are still wondering, because Brooks was gone, not Battier.

    I guess this is what it degenerates to when Adelman supporters/Morey detractors run out of things to say, and their logic hits a road block.

    You know what, I take that back. Plenty of Adelman supporters and Morey detractors/skeptics can present intelligent arguments backed with facts. This is what it degenerates to when clueless people run out of things to say. No offense, but hopefully you can come up with something better than this crap in the future.
     
  19. Nook

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    You don't even know what you are arguing anymore.... you have had a Slowmile Swift moment... step back and clear yout head.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    i'm going to address this first, i have been responding to you with facts, i find you very arrogant and that's why i make the sarcastic remarks. I don't want to be personally insulting, but you make sarcastic remarks also, so don't complain. believe me, i'm not the only one who has this opinion of you
     

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