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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, May 28, 2011.

  1. tallanvor

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    I am sure most of you liberals would love to sweep this under the rug (just like Weiner) and pretend it never happened. Until he resigns that isn't gonna happen. Politicians aren't suppose to be able to lie there way out of this kinda crap.
     
  2. KingCheetah

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    What if his name were Dick Schlong-****?
     
  3. jo mama

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    "bulldog" faints.

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  4. Rocketman95

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    not surprising that that 3 republicans can't stop thinking bout ****.
     
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    I could care less if it happened.

    even though I still have my doubts---

    This could be true and I could really give not too much of a crap unless it affects his job or policy decisions.

    some people are morally void. some leaders (in fact I would venture most) are morally void. eh.

    so i'll straight up say it---

    I like that Democrat sending pictures to the ladies, better than the Republican posing as a Nazi.

    though honestly, I could not really care about both.
     
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  6. mc mark

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    what are you talking about? the last president got 4000 Americans killed with a lie and he got away with it.

    you're making no sense
     
  7. basso

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    Brats, maybe, but no Weiners in Wisconsin:

    Rep. Weiner Cancels Appearance at Wisconsin Convention
    Published June 03, 2011 | Associated Press
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    MILWAUKEE -- U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner has canceled his scheduled appearance at the Wisconsin Democratic Party convention in Milwaukee.*

    The embattled New York Democrat had been scheduled to speak on Friday night. State party spokesman Graeme Zielinski said Friday morning that Weiner had canceled but he had no other details.*

    Weiner has been involved in an embarrassing flap regarding a lewd picture sent from his Twitter account. Weiner has said he's done talking about the issue.*

    The state party says it expects more than 2,000 people at its convention Friday and Saturday. It says attendance last year was about 1,300.

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  8. basso

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    After the tumult of the First World War, noted Winston Churchill, only the intractability of the Irish Question had emerged unscathed:
    "Great Empires have been overturned. The whole map of Europe has been changed," he told the House of Commons. "But as the deluge subsides and the waters fall short, we see the dreary steeples of Fermanagh and Tyrone emerging once again."

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    And so it goes after another tumultuous week in American politics. Nearly a third of homeowners are "underwater" – that's to say, they owe more on their mortgages than the property is worth. Private-sector job growth has all but vanished. The House of Representatives voted not to raise the debt ceiling.
    But as the debt ceiling subsides – or, at any rate, stays put – we see the dreary steeple of Anthony Weiner emerging from his Twitpic crotch shot.
    For the benefit of the few remaining American coeds Rep. Weiner isn't following on Twitter, the congressman's initial position when his groin Tweet went viral was that his Twitter had been hacked. Could happen to anyone. From last Thursday's edition of The Daily Telegraph:
    "British intelligence has hacked into an al-Qaida online magazine and replaced bomb making instructions with a recipe for cupcakes."
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    True. If MI6 can break into a Yemeni website run by Anwar al-Awlaki and infect it with home-baking favorites from "The Ellen DeGeneres Show," I don't doubt that the same spooks could easily hack into Anthony Weiner's computer and Tweet his cupcake to that poor college girl in Seattle.
    But Congressman Weiner then retreated from the sinister hacking line, and protested that all this fuss about a mere "prank" involving a "randy photo" (his words) was an "unfortunate distraction" from real issues like raising the debt ceiling. Like Bill Clinton in the Nineties, Rep. Weiner needs to "get back to work for the American people."
    It's the political class doing all this relentless "work for the American people" that's turned this country into the brokest nation in the history of the planet, killed the American Dream and left the American people headed for a future poised somewhere between the Weimar Republic and Mad Max. So, if it's a choice between politicians getting back to work for the American people or Tweeting their privates round the planet, I say, Tweet on, MacDuff. Tough on our young college ladies. But, as Queen Victoria advised her daughter on her wedding night, lie back and think of England. Download and think of America.
    Congressman Weiner's next move was to tell NBC News that he "can't say with certitude" whether the Tweeted crotch is his. "I don't know what photographs are out there in the world of me," he told CNN. He seems to be saying that this could be one of his, but, until an appraiser from Sotheby's can establish the provenance, it might just be a doppelganger. Saddam Hussein had a lot of lookalikes on the payroll to confuse his enemies, and it wouldn't be a surprise to discover our Congressional princelings were trending in the same direction.
    So we're drifting from outrageous cybercrime to "prank" to "Hey, who doesn't have snaps of his genitalia out there in the world?" To revive another Clintonian line: Everybody does it. "Everyone lies about Twitter-flirting," wrote the blogger Little Miss Attila, "and everyone knows that everyone lies about Twitter-flirting." "Flirting"? Why, yes: I'm assured by correspondents more au courant in "social media" that there's nothing unusual about Tweeting your nether regions to people you've never met in distant time zones. Get with the beat, daddy-o, it's a widely accepted courtship ritual of the 21st century: the flower of American maidenhood wants to see a prospective swain straining his BVDs at what I believe the lads at the TSA call Code Orange alert before they'll agree to meet him for a chocolate malt at the soda fountain.
    To each her own. In my day it was "A White Sport Coat And A Pink Carnation," as Marty Robbins sang (Billboard Country & Western Number One, 1957). But apparently these days that leaves the ladies cold, and the pink carnation can prompt titters, unless it's artistically positioned across one's crown jewels, and you'd probably need to get in a professional photographer and some double-sided Scotch tape.
    According to Christopher Hitchens, politics is show business for ugly people. If Anthony Weiner is anything to go by, it seems more like high school for ugly people. As the story evolves, the logic seems to favor the blogger Ann Althouse's explanation – that Weiner's cavalcade of daily Tweets are too droll to be written by him. He favors cute hashtags: For the Republican presidential field, "#TargetRichEnvironment"; for Newt Gingrich, upon entering the race, "#TallestPygymy." "So terribly clever and edgy," writes Professor Althouse. "Why does a Congressman have time for that?" Her conclusion is that Weiner has a ghost-Tweeter, and the ghost-Tweeter uploaded the crotch shot, but that, because the "terribly clever and edgy" Tweets are essential to Weiner's sense of his own indispensability, he cannot admit that he's lip-synching. It would be like Charlie Sheen confessing that it was a body-double under the bevy of hookers and suitcase of coke.
    Between Occam's Razor (it's Weiner's junk, and he Tweeted it) and Occam's Lip-Syncher (the ghost-Tweeter did it) lies a third possibility – that the Tweets aren't by Weiner but the Twitpic crotch shot to the cute co-ed is. The republic's "citizen-legislators" do hardly anything for themselves these days, starting with reading the thousand-page legislation they cheerily pass, but if they can't even perform their own sex scandals there really is no point to them. For the last quarter of 2010, Weiner listed 19 staffers, a few with highly specific job descriptions ("Deputy Director of Immigration Affairs") but most with the kind of blandly nebulous titles ("Staff Assistant") that could cover almost anything, including in-house ghost-Tweeting. For the sake of argument, let us take it as read that American men are emailing their genitals across the fruited plain all day long, and that in the nature of these things one or two attachments go awry and wind up in the in-box of the elderly spinster who runs the quilting bee and you have to make a rather sheepish apology. Congressmen are among the few in this land who, in such a situation, can breezily say, as Weiner did to CNN's Dana Bash, "You have statements that my office has put out... ." Herein lies the full horror of American politics in the death throes of the republic: A Congressman has nothing better to do of an evening than Tweet his crotch to coeds, but he requires an "office" with "staffers" to "put out" "statements" on the subject.
    When Weiners have staffers, it's very difficult to have limited government: You cannot have a small state run by big Weiners. If you require an "office" to issue "statements" about your Tweets, it's hardly surprising you're indifferent to statist bloat elsewhere.
    In the end, the Congressman was not so "distracted" that he wasn't able to vote to raise the debt limit. Confronted by his Twitpic, one is tempted to channel Mae West: Is that a debt-ceiling increase in your Fruit of the Looms or are you just pleased to see me? Alas for America, it's both.
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  9. thadeus

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    Damn basso ... does this story give you such a boner that you couldn't even be bothered to delete the extraneous bits from your one billionth pasted article ?
     
  10. JeopardE

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    LOL. I just looked to see maybe there was some new development or something and I'm like ... "dang. This basso guy is really obssessed with weiners."
     
  11. basso

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    Indeed it does, or (alernative theory), i just haven't figured out how to edit a text box on iOS.
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    How is he gonna get out of this? Maybe he should just admit it.
     
  13. Dubious

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    premature e-post-ulation
     
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    If he'll call for a criminal investigation it would be over within an hour or so as investigators can determine whether or not he was hacked and verify the IP address of the offender.

    The longer this is postponed more validity is given to the idea that he is to blame. Seriously, if he wants to get back to business as usual he only needs to file a report with the police and let them do their job. Until that time people will investigate and come up with conclusions on their own.
     
  15. Mr. Clutch

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    Problem is if he did it, or if it is his pic, he wont want an investigation. If he did do it, is there a way out?
     
  16. Rip Van Rocket

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    He can't ask for a criminal investigation because he knows he will be found guilty of sending the pic. At this point he is just hoping that the press will move on to something else and that the voters that got him elected won't care about this scandal when it is time for him to get reelected.
     
  17. tallanvor

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    He also can't ask for an investigation because then he would be lying to the FBI which means jail time I would assume. Right now he has committed no crimes.

    Evidence is mounting up
     
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    It really depends upon the circumstances. Let's assume for a moment it is his handy work. If he fesses up he's likely to be forgiven as America has a thing for forgiveness when people throw themselves on the mercy of the American public.

    Whether his wife forgives him is a different story. I'm not aware of him breaking the law in any way, but he will have crossed the lines of marital fidelity. Given the nature of politics I'd expect his opposition to skewer him over this which may ultimately impact his ability to do his job.

    Personally, I could care less what happens. I don't live in the NY-9 district and I already feel that all current politicians are self-serving ego-maniacs who aren't worried about our interests.

    The story is pretty fascinating given my IT background, so I'm curious to see how this shakes out. There should be no problem uncovering precisely what has happened, so delaying the inevitable here is like watching a slow train-wreck. Someone will get popped and embarrassed over this.
     
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    more from Ace:

    It turns out that all Twitter feeds from members of Congress are recorded in real time by an organization called TweetCongress.org. The Library of Congress does this as well, but it doesn't make the information generally available.

    TweetDeck is an application that helps organize and display tweets. Tweetdeck requires a password. When you tweet through TweetDeck and the tweet is recorded by TweetCongress, it puts a TweetDeck stamp on the tweets. This is a problem for Weiner.

    Chet Wisniewski, a senior security adviser at security software company SophosLabs, said the TweetDeck stamp “does make it more plausible that it did come from him.”
    . . .

    “The complexity goes up,” said Chris McCroskey, the Texas software developer who founded TweetCongress.org. The site, which has advocated the increased participation from congressmen on Twitter, aggregates and archives all the feeds of the 112th Congress from Twitter’s application programming interface. It is the only known database to do this other than the Library of Congress, which does not publicly share its data.

    Robert Stribley, a senior information architect at Razorfish, a social media strategy agency, reasoned that if Weiner used the TweetDeck app, “it would probably make it less likely his account was hacked.”

    So while the TweetDeck stamp doesn't completely resolve the issue, it makes Weiner's story even less plausible. A hacker would have had to know Weiner's Twitter password and his TweetDeck password to set-up a matching TweetDeck account to make it appear the tweets originated from there. Add to that the fact that this couldn't be done while Weiner was online. Add also the fact that the hacker didn't change either password.

    But the founder of TweetCongress does reveal a secret method of authenticating the tweet in question, something that would resolve the entire issue completely. The hidden knowledge is that Weiner could call the police.*

    “Here’s the thing that solves it all,” said McCroskey, “for him to call for a criminal investigation. All they have to do is look at his TweetDeck and see if it came from there, see what IP address [it had]. The local police department or Capitol Police could probably figure this out in 15 minutes.”
    *Actually, Ace may have been hammering this point all along.

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