At some point . .. I have to wonder what the hell the rules are They seem so arbitary these days Rocket River
THIS... its almost as if he starts rising for the shoot even before his gather is finished. it probably looks like a travel to some because hes an athletic freak, he can do things that the average baller cant do.. i guess people dont understand that these guys have been playing basketball all their lives, their minds have already memorized how their legs move when they are trying to pull off these moves, its a feel more than them counting steps.. i never understand when people somehow count out 4-5 steps on some videos.
It's NOT travel, folks. I am as much a LeBron critic as anyone here. He has too many traveling non-call and you guys b**** about this one? That said, here are a few things I want to say about the rules: 1. I hate jump stop. That's not natural basketball move. I never use it when I play and I hate playing against someone who does. It always looks awkward. They should ban it. 2. The 2 steps after gathering the ball should apply only when the player is running toward the basket. I think that was the original intent of that rule, to give the driver a couple of running momentum steps to finish the drive. I don't think it should be used as a maneuvering move. Remember a while ago Ginobili took an awkward 2-step (one step was actually going backward) to make a shot? It was a legal move according to the rule but that should not be allowed in the spirit of basketball. 3. Today's basketball allows the kind of dribbling that would have been called carrying in the old days. I see the rule is being stretched further and further.
Those arguing that it isn't a travel seem to be doing so based on what constitutes a "gather." It's true he doesn't put both hands on the ball until just before those last 2 steps. But it just makes no sense (to me at least) to use "2 hands" as the gather definition. I mean, everyone in the league can palm the ball. If you're still dribbling as long as you don't put 2 hands on it, then anything will be legal. I would prefer a much more intuitive rule (and one that I think is consistent with how most non-NBA players play): you simply can't take more than 2 steps without letting the ball come out of your hand. Isn't that the rule everybody grows up with? Can anybody tell me why the NBA put in these weird gather time judgments that are almost impossible to see?
not really, it was more you get 2 steps after you complete your dribble.. other players are just more crafty with their ability to change direction, stutter step, and take advantage of their footwork while in the process of dribbling.. and on the othe rideo.. how was it a travel, he never had possession of the ball, and when he did get it he passed it..
dribbles the ball takes 2 steps...then takes 2 more steps...yep thats not a travel...its not a travel with lebron until he takes 6 steps, i thought everybody knew this
You must be trolling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxDopaqTxiY&feature=related It's not all dreamshakes, but the 1st couple of plays are his standard move. He ends his dribble, establishes the right foot as his pivot, then jumps off his non-pivot foot while fading away. That is ONE step after the end of the dribble. Completely different from this 2 steps after the dribble junk that is allowed on the perimeter.
1) The 2 steps after completing the dribble rule is inconsistent. It is never ever called that way in the post, even on playground. For example, on a typical turnaround, a player makes a power dribble, establishes one foot as the pivot (allowing them to spin and fake with the other foot), then jumps off the non-pivot foot for the shot. Allowing 2 steps after the dribble would mean that you could take an additional step with the pivot foot and jump off it too. That is ALWAYS a travel from kindergarten basketball to the NBA. 2) How do you define "completing the dribble"? You can't do it in any fair way. What LBJ (and many others) do is simply move so fast (either with their feet or with their hand motion on the "gather") that the ref has no way of ever seeing when the dribble is over.
Hakeem established a pivot foot, took one step, and faded away. I mean Jesus, have you even watched the guy play? Look him up on youtube.com before you ever post here again. Then tell us how many steps he actually takes.
They didn't need to. To say that a turnaround jumper is traveling is just wrong. It shows that you don't really understand the issue discussed here. It doesn't really matter if it's Hakeem or any other player.
I missed it on first glance too, but definitely a travel when you look at the slow mo. Would've been difficult for the ref to see.
You can't force players to just completely change their game like that. The jumpstop is a staple for MANY players in the league. Wade and Rose to name a few. I honestly think the dribble drive should let them use three steps, and when passed the ball they should allow three steps to account for momentum; not two. I do agree with you on the carrying rule. Kobe and Wade are two superstars who heavily abuse the lack of carrying calls in the NBA now-a-days.
