Get real. Why don't you show me the names of all the people who voted legally? BTW, why is that you use the most vile racial epithets while pretending you are on the side of the angels? I can't understand how African-American and Hispanic heritage posters here let you get away with calling them "darkies" and "damned bean-eatin' illegals. I think you laugh while using these slurs because you can get away with it by attributing the slurs to othes. I am Hispanic and I work with Hispanic groups and subcultures. Do you? I can tell you that there is a growing concern about Obama's policies among the average working Hispanics who are legal. Wouldn't it be great if every voter -- I mean every voter in every state -- had to take his/her birth certificate, driver's license and Social Security card to vote? With computer verification, we could track down illegal SSNs, toss out illegal votes and allow actual citizens to determine the country's path.
The children of these illegals can vote. And a lot of those census numbers include non-citizens. And relax for chrissakes. If you know anything about me, I am FOR amnesty for those here already and stricter enforcement thereafter. Not citizenship, but legal residence for those already here. I suppose that makes me some sort of racist? Hell I live in Los Angeles, half my family and friends are Latino. A large portion of them feel the same way as I do. Does that make them racists too? You know I usually enjoy your posts even though I don't quite share the same viewpoint as you. Hell I even repped you recently. "You're either with us ( a liberal Democrat on every issue), or against us (which makes you a racist, GOP scum)." - is that the prevailing attitude here?
Heh, you're about as Mexican as a Jack in the Box 5-piece Taquitos, hermano. But hey it was time for a new bag and let's see how insulting you can get with this one.
I also remember reading about the population shift to the South and what that would mean nationally - how it might increase GOP influence as the numbers of congressmen, etc. increase. I suppose the GOP has a fine line here to increase their respective states' population and yet keep them GOP - majority. Shades of the "3/5" situation centuries ago. To those who may regard my last post as inflammatory, racist drivel - I am a non-white Republican. I am not a racist. So call me stupid all you want, but not racist.
I don't think illegals voting has ever changed an election outcome - at least on the national or state level. Voter fraud , to me, is largely a politcal ploy to score points. I am sure it exists, but it is overblown. I have a question, as far as allocation of congressional seats go, do only legal-residents count? Or citizens? I must have failed civics. And yes - I am stupid enough to go to a basketball forum to ask for non-basketball related information.
Producing proof of citizenshp is scarcely a "Jim Crow" law. If someone is using your SS number (and hence credit information), wouldn't you want to know?
Credit card fraud is not quite the same thing as voter fraud and also you don't need to be a citizen to get an SSI or a credit card. That said I would still be curious to hear the evidence about massive voter fraud by non-citizens.
My understanding of apportionment is that it is based on Census numbers which would also include non-citizens. Regarding illegal immigrants to the extent that they can be actually counted they are considered in Census numbers but given their illegal nature they are hard to count and the Census bureau has acknowledged that they are greatly undercounted.
I will do that as soon as you provide an accurate count (within 100) of how many illegals entered this country last year or this year.
Considering you raised the issue why should I provide you with any information. IF you believe this is a problem then shouldn't you be willing to show it is?
Thumbs, with all due respect, have you lost it? I have heard this red-herring about illegal immigrants voting time and time again in Texas, used as a political tool by the state GOP to drive up the vote of the base and discourage the Latino vote, and have yet to see any proof. It's an inflammatory statement, thumbs, one that deserves proof, not some nonsensical reply like, "show me the names of all the people who voted legally." You're better than that. As to the other part of your post that I bolded, thumbs, with all due respect, have you lost it? You want every voter to "take his/her birth certificate, driver's license and Social Security card to vote." Thumbs, the idea is to encourage people to vote, not do everything in one's power to depress the vote. Why stop there? Why not require a passport? Hell, my passport would be easier to find than my birth certificate and Social Security card. As much as I travel, I know where that damn thing is. Really, I have no idea where this idea of yours came from (some tea party/GOP newsletter?), but it is a god-awful idea. Having a voter registration card has always proven to be more than adequate to insure legal voters are voting. If you deny that, show me the proof! Oh, and I have no doubt that you are Latino/Hispanic... whatever the nomenclature or PC thingy happens to be current. Most of my friends in high school who were Latino (Hispanic, back then) prefered to be called Texans, and some of them had ancestors that had been here longer than mine have (which goes back to the Republic on my Dad's side). Sam has sense of humor that is sometimes hard to follow. (I don't have a hard time following it, myself, but then my sense of humor is often misunderstood, as well)
No, I haven't lost "it" yet. With my advancing years, there is always that possibility. As for voter registration, I work to get out the vote and encourage people to vote from the perspective of what will benefit the country as a whole and themselves as individuals. Somehow, my largely Hispanic Congressional district, Democratic for untold years, suddenly went Republican. There is a growing desire, particularly by the small shop owners and other small business people, for stronger voter registration laws because no one can distinguish citizens from non-citizens. These are people who are proud of their heritage, proud to be Texans and proud to be U.S. citizens. At the same time, they are afraid of the narco-aliens and resource intensive payouts. Like Tea Party participants, they are tiring of shelling out money without benefit (renaming Durango Street to Chavez Avenue is an example). That $300,000 spent renaming the street would have been better spent on school teachers. Whereas I agree we need to spur voter turnout, I also believe we need to encourage turnout by those who have a right to vote. Unfortunately, voter registration cards have to be augmented with other forms of citizenship in this day of instant forgery and voter fraud.
I have to disagree with both of you here. We should discourage voter turnout. If people don't care to vote, then they probably shouldn't. I recall some South Park episode where they lampooned the "Vote or Die" campaign. I also remember seeing some interview of Cher in the early 90's. Some lady called in to ask Cher who she should vote for. Cher gave some crap about "voting with your heart". For me, that was when democracy "jumped the shark". If someone is just going to vote for who a singer/actress says she should vote for, then they probably shouldn't vote. Perhaps this is the underlying cause of all our public debt.
I think he's saying that requiring multiple credentials, without proof of a real reason for it, is not encouraging.
