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Terrence Williams PR Department (AKA STOP TWEETING)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dobro1229, Jan 11, 2011.

  1. DieHard Rocket

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    Can't see him taking minutes away from Lowry or Dragic, but I wouldn't be opposed at all to running some sets with him bringing the ball up and letting Lowry play off the ball. Lowry's become a good enough scorer that he can fit that role now. If he developed a post game, with his big frame, that would be even better.
     
  2. vince

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    It is interesting to project the talent that Williams brings about. If he can maxamize on his talent, he could play along side with Kevin Martin and Lowry. Williams and Lowry are excellent ball handlers...

    Keving Martin is money... Courtney Lee showed how important he can be when given minutes. Dragic embraced his role as a backup point guard, and he excelled.. Budinger was extremely effective after Battier was traded..

    So Williams getting onto the playing floor is going to require him to outplay his counter parts... T-Will claimed in this past season that he is closer to a point guard than a SF.... He might have to change his tune on that one because right now, his best option for playing time is backup SF...

    Lowry - Dragic
    Martin - Lee
    Budinger - Williams (can he win this spot???:eek:)
    Scola - Patterson
    Hayes - Hill - Thabeet - (Yao???????:confused:)
     
  3. Easy

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    The Rockets had not got the players and the chemistry to run the offense until midway through this season. Here are the ORtg of 2010-11:

    Rockets 111.3, #4 in the league
    Warriors 108.2, #12 in the league
    League average 107.3

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html

    Golden State is slightly above average. Houston is top 5. I wouldn't be surprised if we were number 1 after the trade deadline.
     
  4. texanskan

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    still need a major talent upgrade and a tight 9 man rotation during the season.

    Best bet is to trade Scola and roll the dice with the younger guys. Sign a Center and maybe get that star via trade
     
  5. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I wasn't even talking about this years Warriors.
    I was talking about the Warriors that when 48-34 and still missed the playoffs.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2008.html

    They where 4th in ORtg that year

    111.3 (4th of 30) Rockets of this season

    111.8 (4th of 30) Warriors of 2008

    Strikingly similar aren't they?
     
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  6. LongTimeFan

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    Agreed on Lowry/Dragic vs. Twill. One of them would have to be moved. I don't really see Lowry as a SG.. I'd rather let Twill run with Martin as his SG. I know a lot of people want Twill to play SF, but I think he's a PG/SG in my eyes.
     
  7. anchel

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    Williams is a player with terrific physical tools, and mixed with his vision and handlings can make of him a very dangerous player in 1x1 and p&r situations.

    His body should also allow him become a really good defender and rebounder at the SG (his natural position). Current problem with him is that he's not a player able to contribute on a winning dynamic/environment. While his physical abilities are there, his commitment is not, and neither the knowledge and experience to actually be that great defensive weapon. Offensively, he's not good enough to absorb all that game within a quality offense. Nor he has a solid shot, nor post game, nor off the ball movement to ve valid as complement, to help the team with not that many ball touches. So in a nutshell, he's a player with tremendous qualities but at the same time a bad basketball player nowadays. Because if he can't help your team into a winning dynamic, you're just not good enough.

    Still, you won't find many player with those physical abilities + those handling skills, think about it, there aren't too many. That is special. If he's able to develope a more effective shot, doesn't matter how, we could we talking about a player with all-star talent. Besides with that same potential on the other end of the court. All-star talent. To become an all-star player he's gonna need a drastic change of behavior, and for this he's going to need playing time, games, seasons, failures... all in a positive dynamic, which is what we expect will generate McHale. But yes, with players like him sometimes you must help them to take that first step only because it can be very worthwhile for you in the long run.
     
  8. dobro1229

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    I will say this about Terrence succeeding under McHale. I believe McHale will do a much better job creating a line of communication with Terrence that could be wildly beneficial for him to buy into the role the Rockets are selling him.

    I dont know Rick Adelman personally, but all accounts say that he is a man of few words who rarely gets personal with his players. I think Kevin McHale will do a much better job with the ubber sensative players like Terrence on the communication.

    I still dont think he will put up with the BS and the pathetic display of immaturity he showed in garbage time, but I think this is a guy who might be able to get through to him. Not neccessarily on the basketball side, but on a communication, leadership, and respect level.
     
  9. BetterThanEver

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    If T-Will couldn't get along with a coach that Ron Artest and Bonzi Wells loved, there isn't much hope of it working out with his 3rd head coach.
     
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    Exactly. Because all players that have had personality issues in the league are the same. Just like in real life.
     
  11. JeffB

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    Yeah. The kid has incredible potential only limited by his own stupidity and knuckle-headedness. Just looking at news coverage of his time in New Jersey I get the sense of an undisciplined guy whose sense of entitlement and unwillingness to address his weaknesses is undermining what could be a great career. The issues he had in NJ were just juvenile. They were fining him twitter stupidity his first season in the league.

    For the Rockets sake, I hope the light comes on. He needs to learn to play off ball and develop a reliable jumper. He has to become more than a one-on-one player.
     
  12. Easy

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    Okay, my bad for not noticing the "couple of years ago" thing. So you're talking about the team with Baron Davis, Monte Ellis, Stephen Jackson, and Al Harrington in the starting lineup.

    Compare that to this team:
    two supposed offensive liabilities (Hayes and Battier)
    a supposed can't-shoot PG (Lowry)
    an physically and mentally injured Brooks
    a clueless Hill (with personal issues)
    a slumping Budinger
    a slower-than-thou Miller
     
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    Same thing could be said about the Warriors at the time. They had ZERO All-stars. They made a name for them selves in the Playoffs against the Mavs but Davis, Jackson, Harrington and Ellis were not considered franchise players. You down play the Rockets roster yet The Warriors Roster wasn't great either.
     
  14. Easy

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    Davis was once considered a franchise player. He and Ellis were elite offensive players. (Davis not anymore, Ellis still is.) Jackson and Harrington are both very good offensive players. 4 of the 5 starters were all capable of scoring 20 ppg.

    Compare that to a lineup with Hayes and Battier and a supposedly can't-shoot Lowry and a flat footed Scola. Kevin Martin was the only legit elite offensive guy we had.
     
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    Actually this will be his 4th head coach. Don't forget about Lawrence Frank.
     
  16. dobro1229

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    Im not saying McHale will be more of a players coach than Adelman, and more players will respond to Mchale than Adelman... However, I can see McHale as having a more open communication structure that will benefit the ego of someone like Terrence.

    Adelman seemed to be a more no-nonsense type and promoted self management. Im obviously not a fan of Terrence, hince Im the one who started this thread about his nonsense he throws up on Twitter. Basically Im saying McHale might be the "cool babysitter" that the kids like to hang with over the other babysitter.
     
  17. alethios

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    I sincerely hope you're right because I see the Twill situation as being one of the major straining points in Morey's relationship with Adelman. I think Morey is hoping that McHale will get some value out of a trade that Adelman obviously wanted no part of.
     
  18. mugrakers

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    So it turns out this whole time that Adelman wouldn't play Williams because of his(Adelman) ego. Wow, no wonder Morey was pissed off at him. He traded away a first pick for Williams and Adelman wouldn't even play him.

    Les pointed out in the presser that they needed to hire someone that would evolve with the game and wouldn't be stuck in the past. He said they needed someone who would listen to them instead of being a one man army. I think T-Will is the #1 reason why Adelman was let go.
     
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    It could be that, plus Adelman's refusal to listen to Daryl's analytic input on who to play over others. And as posterity has shown after the trades of Brooks and Battier, the rockets improved substantially. If Adelman had listened earlier, the rockets might have taken that 8th spot from Memphis. But he didn't, and it was too late.
     
  20. LongTimeFan

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    I'd be careful about coming to this conclusion. You can say that Adelman didn't give Terrence much rope, but TWill looked disinterested and unwilling to run the offense when he did get in the game. I think it was clear that he wasn't someone who would add to your win column last year. That could change this year, if he brings a new attitude with McHale, but I can't fault Adelman too much for not playing him.

    The kid was so much of a distraction that they banished him from the team by the end of the year. I think there was more to his not playing than just Adelman's ego.
     

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