Boston- 4 all stars - 4 HOFers Miami- 3 all stars- 3 HOFers if the heat win some rings Lakers 2 all stars 2 HOFers
Thank you Bynum for your 5.6 rebounds a game. Kobe was blessed to be surround by such elite talent. LOL
Kobe may have had less help than those guys for the last two championships, but let's not forget that Kobe was "the help" for the first three.
Boston - arguably the most talented team in basketball (LA and Philly are challengers) Miami - arguably the most talented team in basketball (LA and Boston are challengers) Lakers - arguably the most talented team in basketball (Boston challenger) It's not that complex. Kobe's teams have been among the best in the league when he was winning, just like everyone else not named Hakeem or Tim.
And the fact that you say Bynum was a non-factor in LA's titles shows how much attention you paid to those postseasons.
Please tell me which games in the playoffs Bynum had a game that Chuck Hayes was incapable of having... Lets start with 09 http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2009/#stats_playoffs
Wat? Of course Kobe's teams are the best in the league win they win titles. Duncan had two HOF teammates per title team plus an all nba defensive team first team defender.
No offense, but there is no point on me debating with you when you are convinced that Bynum had no impact in the last two titles or that Hayes matches his impact. So carry on and believe whatever you like.
Lol of course there isn't. My weapons are logic, statistics and facts. You are motivated by delusional hate. Those three are no match for that.
Sean Elliott is a HOFer? Or were you thinking of Avery Johnson? Mario Elie? Jaren Jackson? Malik Rose? Who was the second HOF teammate on the 1999 championship team? And for the 2003 title team, you're really going to count rookie Manu Ginobili and second year Tony Parker as HOF teammates? The same Tony Parker who was so amazing all year that San Antonio actively recruited a replacement for him that summer, despite being the champs? The same Manu Ginobili who averaged 9ppg and shot 38% in the 2003 playoffs? Those were his HOF teammates?
That's true about 1999. He only had one HOF teammate (David Robsinson). The other 3 teams featured 2 HOF teammates Parker and Ginobli. Of course you count them. You don't count Steven Jackson or Bruce Bowen because they are unlikely HOFers. Although Duncan was fortunate enough to have a teammate play 1st team all league defense for 5 straight years ( Kobe- 0) that's likely not enough to put him in the HOF.
That's some of the worst logic I've ever seen. You're gauging a player based on future accomplishments. If the 2003 versions of Manu and Parker maintained their level of play throughout their careers, neither of them would have even made an all-star team. When the Lakers lost to the Pistons in 2004, do you think it's fair to say that they lost even though they had a roster that included 4 HOFers (Shaq, Kobe, Payton, Malone) and 1 all-star (Grant)?
Do you not remember the reaction after the 2004 Finals? Even though Payton was garbage and Malone was injured the media hype about the Lakers failure was so high it forced them to break up Kobe and Shaq. Was it fair? No. But thats how the world works. Jordan may have had the Jordan Rules, but Kobe is judged by the Kobe rules. The Kobe rules dictate that we must highlight the fact that young Kobe was not better than prime Shaq even though no guard in the history of the NBA was/is better than prime Shaq. The Kobe rules also dictate that every other NBA legend can have 2,3 or 4 HOF teammates and its a non issue yet because Kobe played with Shaq we have to hear about it ad nauseum because people were scared of young Kobe shredding the Golden Child's legacy.
Wow, I wonder why no one has ever brought up this topic for discussion before... You just blew my mind.
Generally, when you say that an NBA legend has HOF teammates, that NBA legend is the best player on the team and the HOF teammates are supporting players. If you want to be accurate, you should say that Shaq won with only 1 HOF teammate. That's why it's a non-issue when you say Kobe won with only Shaq....you have the roles reversed. But you didn't answer my question. Is it fair to say the 2004 Lakers had 4 HOF players and an all-star?
No. Former all star if you care to say that. Every time I have referred to all star I meant this year. The Celtics have 4 2011 all stars on their roster, the Heat 3... the Lakers 2. Kobe Bryant has had 1 or 0 all star teammates since being a teenager.
