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tip jar bet: i guarantee kmac's Rockets will win more than Adelman's did last year

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, May 28, 2011.

  1. dd89

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    Good rationale, Mr Herrera. I say good because it makes fans feel better about the next season. Wether it really is good is too hard to tell. I do hope you're right though..well of course i will say that, i am like all of you: my feelings are tied to the outcome of the Rockets' games... and i don't wanna be hurt too much.:(
     
  2. GATER

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    I am without a doubt one of the most ardent anti "Morey is god" posters on this board. He doesn't deserve the level of respect...dare I say "deification"...he gets on this board. And secondly, I am a huge fan of what Adelman accomplished with as little talent as he had available. But I'm not rushing to a wager without carefully pondering at a minimum two things.

    First, it took Morey a long time to understand the importance of heighth and athleticism. The obvious roster fix that screams for an upgrade is Center. If they do another round of BPA and don't address this...well, let's just say there's a strong wind blowing in a certain direction that will handicap McHale to the same degree it handicapped Adelman. That handicap being Chuck Hayes as a starting Center.

    Secondly, Adelman overcame an additional handicap. Battier. The Rockets were 15-8 after getting rid of the No Stats All Star. That translates into a 53 win season.

    McHale...or whomever is the puppeteer behind the curtains...at this point will have a drastically different roster. Not having Battier and upgrading the C spot gives McHale a huge advantage. The new coaches' only downside is what offense to implement.

    So regarding not taking the bet yet? I was born on Thursday....just not last Thursday. ;)
     
  3. durvasa

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    If only Chuck Hayes wasn't around and Adelman was free to play Thabeet or Hill in his place, we could have gone 23-0 and made the playoffs!

    Damn that Chuck Hayes for dragging us down, and damn Morey for forcing the coach to play him. :mad:
     
  4. BleedRocketsRed

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    I don't think I would ever take that bet. Putting money against the Rockets to win should be banned on this forum.

    Read the sig!
     
  5. monster

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    I would take the under, but not interested in betting. Our roster is still in question, we are still young, and we're bringing in a new and relatively inexperienced coach. I don't see how this translates into as many wins as last year....depends on whether or not we get a good 3 and/or 5 who is ready to contribute and gel.
     
  6. Chris Jent MVP

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    morey overcame that handicap, not adelman. thabeet didn't contribute anything this year, so losing battier would have been the same as if adelman had just benched him. but that didn't happen. adelman had the opportunity to bench battier and play other guys, and he possibly could have done even better since battier would have been available for spot duties at critical moments. but no, morey had to force adelmans hand by removing brooks and battier. the rockets improved after the gm forced the coach's hand. that's a negative against adelman no matter how you try to spin it.

    same goes for brooks. theres no teling how many wins adelman cost the team this year with his questionable rotations and playing favorites. two more wins and it could have been the rockets as the 8 seed knocking off the spurs. then, adelman would still have his job today and everybody would be singing a different tune. but what happened happened, and we are where we are.

    adelman was a great coach, but his best days are behind him. today, adelman is an average coach. we don't really lose anything by breplacing him with another average coach. and we might possible be gaining alot with the new coach, since he is open minded, eager to win, and is a good communicator.

    adelman passed his peak and is on a downward trend. mchale (apparently, theoretically) is on an upward trend, so he is the better fit for this team at this time.
     
  7. Chris Jent MVP

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    but if he is a crappy coach then he will not know how to use the advantages he is given. adelman had the advantage that he could have benched brooks and battier to improve the team without morey having to force him to do so, yet he did not use the advantages he was given. the only reason that mchales "advantage" would seem unfair is that there is a strong possibility that he will use those advantages. in other words, he might actually be a smart coach.


    it's pretty clear that by puting finch next to mchale, they plan on keeping the same offense.

    same offense + roster tweakes + smarter rotations = more success. that's my theory, and i'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. why not the haters ????
     
  8. Chris Jent MVP

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    yet those same ardent fans are cool with sh!tting on the rockets at every opportunity ???
     
  9. Carl Herrera

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    So.. After all, no one will give me better than 1 to 1 odds (for whatever reason...


    Curious to see what the Vegas odds are for over/under. I should make a bet there.
     
  10. smoothie

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    i think a lot has to do with the uncertainty of the roster. if its the same roster i'd give u 2 or even 3 to 1 that they do worse. kmart had a career year, scola coming back from off season surgery, etc... there are other variables that might bring us down besides the coaching downgrade.

    if the roster is changed (and there is that rumor of the team looking to trade "impactful veteran talent") then i would give u even better odds depending on who is traded and for what.
     
  11. Carl Herrera

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    I see the pt about roster change but many sounded certain McHale's hire signals front office is tanking and would move players in order to tank. Surprised no one is putting up better odds if they are certain of that.
     
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    One, roster uncertainty.
    Two, as B-Bob pointed out, no one wants to bet against his own team. I believe it is more likely we will do worse than do better. But I don't want to be in a lose-lose situation.

    Actually, if we win 45 games and get the 14th pick again, Morey's plan fails no matter how you slice it. And it is very possible that it will happen if the talent level of the roster remains largely the same. Worse coaching, improved young players (Lowry, Patterson, Budinger, Hill, even Thabeet).

    A better question is, Could this roster plus a good defensive-rebounding-shotblocking center be contending with Adelman as coach next year?
     
  13. durvasa

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    You're asking people to put themselves into a lose-lose situation. If the Rockets win, they have to fork over money. If the Rockets lose, well they lose and it sucks. I personally would put the over/under at 40 at this point, but I don't want to bet on it because I'm hoping they far exceed that. It kind of puts a damper on it if I know that the Rockets being successful will require me to pay extra money.
     
  14. Carl Herrera

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    It is a win win situation.
    If rockets lose they know at least a great website is being supported. If rockets win they get to support a great website.


    Also it seems at least folks who think tanking ids beneficial would feel no conflict at all.
     
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  15. Nook

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    Why would McHale agree to be the coach if the Rockets are in full tank mode? He does not need the money, he does not need the job and gains nothing being a patsy.

    I don't know how well McHale will do, I think it will mostly depend on the quality of his assistant coaches and the roster.
     
  16. Nook

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    Can you please give me a link to Adelman being elected to the NBA Hall of Fame?
     
  17. Bandwagoner

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    What if the same number of games are won?
     
  18. No Worries

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    He is a lock. Or do you want to make a tip jar bet?
     
  19. Chris Jent MVP

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    then everybody pays in the tip jar and clutch buys the rockets.
     
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  20. Pete the Cheat

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    why would you support these children spending their parents money?

    obviously this contingent of "clutchfans" lacks the attention span to back such a cause.

    you sir are an instigator...no more, no less...good day I say to you sir. GOOD DAY.
     

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