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Why are we down on McHale?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Puff, May 28, 2011.

  1. TheFreak

    TheFreak Member

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    The team that developed chemistry and showed improvement "as the season went on" is the exact same team that won 43 games overall. If that exact same team (the same exact players that won 43 games, even though the players were not the same and were playing scared for more than half the year) wins even 1 more game than they did last year, it will prove that Kevin McHale is a better coach than Rick Adelman and the Rockets were correct in their decision to remove Rick Adelman and replace him with Kevin McHale.

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  2. jim1961

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    Basically, its reflective of the general fan's attitude right now. Im really not sure how much of it is really anti-McHale. But he is the guy in the limelight right now so he has become the magnet for every ones discontent.

    Surely a good chunk of it is frustration. Directed at who ever is convenient. You can be sure that every bad substitution, every broken play, every slow time out, and every loss will be pinned to McHale until we are clearly winning again. It wont be fair (probably), but he and his staff will be under the microscope.

    Were probably in the most hopeless (for a year or two) situation since 82-83. No stars. No upcoming high draft. No proven coach. Fans are bummed :(

    That said, I see room for optimism. But not the kind that is going to give immediate gratification.
     
  3. LandryMegaBeast

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    simple

    RA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mchale
     
  4. PeppermintCandy

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    My only concern with McHale is that his former players were quoted as saying he is a poor x's and o's guy. A hands-off approach might work for a team of veterans, but given that we're entering a rebuilding mode, we need a coach who can clearly explain to young players how he wants them to play. Not sure McHale fits the bill.

    Surrounding him with competent x's and o's assistant coaches could probably compensate, but why should there be a need to do so? Why not pick someone who could do it himself in the first place?

    That said, since I don't know what the Rockets are really looking for in a head coach, I'm reserving my judgment about KMac.
     
  5. Rocket River

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    3 years?
    Sorry, have to let that sink in.
    3 years . . .of suckage . . .. 3 years.
    Morey has Kubiak level of latitude and job security

    Rocket River
    WHEW! 3 years!
     
  6. IBTL

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    Based on what ? Because our star in ming and mcgrady were hurt so we will suck now too going forward?

    Or suckage because mchale coached all star laden team of al jefferson?

    ..maybe suckage because he is a former celt and rival?

    Why is there this auto assumption that we are supposed to suck? Why is there so much suckage on this bbs?

    Help me to get the logic to why we are just going to automatically suck when mchale hasnt coached us for one play, and we are still in the tweaking setting up phases for next year ! The team hasnt even played or have probably anywhere near opening day roster yet all you cancers are here to pollute yet offer no reason or solution.Way to be positive and not jump to any conclusions based on 0 !!
     
  7. ashishduh

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    Because he single-handedly destroyed a franchise. What more do you need to know?
     
  8. Chris Jent MVP

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    there is a trade deadline every year. if players were scared of being traded last year, why wouldnt they be scared of being traded next year? do scared players only count in favor of adelman?

    morey traded adelmans favorite players and the team improved. does this not count for morey or against adelman? is it not possible that adelman was making some incorrect decisions with his rotations that possibly cost the rockets some games?

    how many wins is fair to judge? if they win 50 games, will you say they made the right choice? 40 wins wrong choice?

    if you are going to criticize the coaching change, then you need a reference point to make those criticisms. if you are not willing to set a reference point for fair judgement, then you are not being objective, you are just trolling.
     
  9. Rocket River

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    He is a Cheater.
    He is said to not be an X's and O's guy.

    We will see .. .

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  10. IBTL

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    Yeah Im sure garnett wanting to go to bigger market had nothing to do with it..:rolleyes:

    incidentally he picked garnett and love.. those sure were franchise ruining moves.

    that part where he won all those championships that was pretty ruining to boston..

    yeah he sucks as a coach anyone who cant win a title and go 82 and 0 with al jefferson is a tomato can.. HE SUCKS !! I GET IT
     
  11. thetatomatis

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    Well if players are scared of being traded or losing minutes to younger guys? They should be more so now. This probably means a whole new minutes system. A whole new substitution pattern. A whole new group of players who might come in for one or two Mc Hale is not so attached to getting rid of now. Morey can wheel and deal and nothing any player can do to whine his way into not being traded now. They should accept they are mediocre and mediocre does not translate to job security in Houston unless you are with the Texans organization. I for one support any move they make to try and get better. This whole staying pat and let it run its course wont work iwthout a few roster moves of significant change or upgrade to give us that winning team. Players and fans just have to accept that.
     
  12. IBTL

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    thats my point !!we have to at least get into the season and see.. If it's obvious that he sucks, then it will be obvious halfway through the season and I will be right there with you.. then we can all sit here, and say you were right. in the meantime you look like a hater of your own team.
     
  13. RV6

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    He actually stated he was just winning to get a new contract? Is there a link for that quote? Are you saying with a new deal he'd be open to experimenting and therefore possibly losing more? It doesnt sound like that at all. Sounds like they wanted to go in opposite directions, with RA's direction being basically the status quo.

    "We had two or three days where we talked through a lot of things and I just think that the direction the team wanted to go, some changes they wanted made, I just wasn’t comfortable."


    "We had conversations where we talked about the framework of what they wanted and could I be comfortable in that framework. We talked through that and a lot of it was fine and some of it I thought was unnecessary and was going to be difficult, so at the end of the day I think there was an opportunity there, but it just didn’t mesh."

    "Daryl and I had some good talks and everything. I disagree with some of the direction, the method they wanted to use to get there. I thought me and my staff had done a good job, bringing this team the last two years and getting them where they were. I thought we could continue on with that. Like I said, the direction and the environment they wanted was a little different than mine, so at the end of the day that’s their choice and I wish them well but I think it’s probably best that I moved on."
     
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    It's not like the fuhrer was keeping Rose or Kevin Durant on the bench. We're talking about not playing Hill , Thabeet and the other guy that looks lost playing team basketball.
    Like everything in life, those guys had to wait their turn. If they did not play, it was because they sucked during practice.
    every coach, at every level of basketball, would have handled it the same way. And who said Ra wasn't up for it? He liked coaching this team.
     
  15. RockingRox

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    Short answer for your long question:

    The Rockets are officially tanking. Not only for the coming season, but 2-3 seasons.

     
  16. Stepping Razor

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    I have a good feeling about McHale. He has a wonderful personality and can improve our big men like Hasheem Thabeet, Jordan Hill, or whatever Center we pick in this coming draft. I think his personality, passion, and "Hall of Famer-ism" for the game can rub off on our core of young talent and get them motivated to play better. I have a feeling that we can make the playoffs as a 6th,7th or better seeded team, if we can get the wheels turning early on in the season. DM has stated that his goal is to make this team a championship caliber team. I doubt he would purposely hire McHale in hopes of setting the franchise back several years. If all goes to hell then, this can be a championship caliber team after getting a top pick in the 2012 Draft. Either way, I think Morey knows what he is doing whether that means to win this year (attracting a star who wants to play for McHale [likely], or secretly tanking and getting a top 3 draft pick) to become our franchise player, thence making us contenders in the next 2-3 seasons. I think that it is a win-win situation regardless!!
     
  17. Carl Herrera

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    Frankly I don't think McHale did all that bad a job in Minny.

    Minnesota's winning % during the time McHale was their head personnel guy or head coach: 49%

    Minnesota's winning % during all other times: 24%.

    McHale's teams made the playoffs 8 out of 12 years, even advanced to the Western Conference Finals once. Minny has never been in the playoffs without McHale. In fact, they never won more than 29 games without McHale.

    In comparison, Daryl Morey's Rockets made the playoffs in 2 out of 4 season, advancing to the 2nd round once.

    Sure some of McHale's picks and moves didn't turn out so well, but that goes for every team and every GM. He did draft guys like Garnett, Love, Marbury, Szczerbiak and added vets like Sprewell and Cassell who were critical to their WC Finals team. Hell, even Rasho wasn't half bad as a 17th pick. The Rockets can probably use a young Rasho now, actually.

    Minnesota was a crap franchise located in a place few NBA stars wanted to play in and with a bad history before and after McHale, whose reign wasn't perfect but was the best anyone did with that team.
     
  18. IBTL

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    Dude come on he sucks. If red auerbach was coaching al jefferson he would have gone 82 -0.

    Anyone who can't win with Al Jefferson as centerpiece is a failure, and should be shot on site.

    That whole Garnett thing right out of high school, and that pesky kevin love being badass thingie dont mind that. That part where he won multiple titles with boston that's all hogwash and smokescreen.. clearly this is tank from the get go.
     
  19. ashishduh

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    He's basically the NBA version of Kelvin Sampson, that's all I'm saying, which means he left the franchise in a worse state than he got it (the odds of which happening were 0.001% considering their history pre-McHale).

    And he had a 55% win rate in the KG era, that's worse than our record in the Yao injury-riddled era, including the last 2 seasons. They should have had Spurs-like success in that era given what they started with, or at least been contenders every year. Nobody wants to come to Houston either, do you think if DM's first draft resulted in a KG-caliber player that we would be anything but a 60+ win team and contending every year?

    Anyway, I know his record as a GM isn't really relevant but there's nothing to be excited about. We all know he's not gonna be our head coach for long anyway.
     
  20. IBTL

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    wow talking about speculation nation around here.

    Umm he picked garnett, and love. Period

    he won titles at boston, and is a big man educator.

    He was a GM and understands the trade/management aspect as good as any other candidate for coach.. and we get some new (apparently hoss) assistant coaches to help write up plays to help X and Os while Mchale works with our big men... Yeah mchales foot work was terrible. no way we can use that to our advantage.

    and he coached a team lead by al jefferson... he should have gone 82-0! Clearly he sucks , this has tank written all over it, and we are doomed. The russians are closing from the east, and the british are closing in from the west.
     

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