Pippen: LeBron 'Probably Greatest Player To Ever Play Game'

You seriously cannot see the difference between "potential to be the" and "probably is the"?

 

I didn't realize that having a teammate that made the All-NBA 1st team was doing it alone.

 

This is not really a comparable situation.

Ok, Wade won a championship with the Heat already. But that was in 2006. There is only one other player on the roster from that team. And they haven't made it past the first round of the playoffs since then.

Lebron has had more playoff success in the previous four seasons than Wade. While Wade was losing in the first round (or missing the postseason altogether), Lebron was making it to the NBA Finals, taking the eventual champs to 7 games (something even a stacked Lakers team couldn't do in the Finals), making it to the ECF, and losing to the Finals runner-up in round 2.

Magic and Isiah were winning every single year. They were having more success than MJ prior to 1991. In fact, it was Isiah's team that was beating MJ's team almost every single year. Lebron did not join a team that was winning more than his team the previous four years. And he didn't "team up with a rival" as so many people like to claim; Wade and James have never faced off in the playoffs. They weren't rivals.

 

Did MJ piss off Quitten? I must have missed the memo. Maybe the cat has dementia.

 

Why are people still saying this? Have you been watching the games? LeBron has taken over and its clear that the Heat are LeBron's team.

 

Let's be honest -- Jordan (in his prime) would have had his hands full trying to play against Lebron. Modern athletes are almost always going to be bigger, stronger, faster than those from the previous generation.

 

Oh ho, let's do this then...

 

I haven't seen this posted, so forgive me if it's on some early page. Here's what Lebron said in a recent interview about Pippen's comments:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/news/story?id=6603651

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"Michael's an unbelievable player," James said Saturday. "I've got a long way -- long way -- to be mentioned as far as one of the all-time greats. Not even just Jordan. There's a lot of great players who have played in this league. Larry Bird, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, all these guys who are floating around with multiple rings, Bill Russell, all these guys who have pioneered this game.

"I'm gracious. Humbled by Scottie's comments, especially with him being a teammate of his and seeing Michael on a day-to-day basis. But as far as me, I'm not going to sit here and say I'm better than Jordan. I'm not better than Jordan."
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That's about right and it's good to see Lebron saying the right thing. The only mistake he made was leaving out Dream. :grin:

 

LeBron is allowed to travel 20 times a game. No one was allowed to play defense on Jordan. It's hard to even think about comparing them due the extreme level of ref interference, making them both seem exponentially better than they really were.

 

This is one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever seen honestly.

Ever heard of 'The Jordan Rules'? I guess not.

 

Touche:grin:

 

You are a novice NBA fan. As soon as the NBA realized Jordan was not going to be able to win a championship, they began reffing him differently. From then on, no one was ever allowed to play any real defense on him.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post?id=8143

MJ vs. LeBron: What the stats say

Scottie Pippen joined ESPN's "Mike & Mike in the Morning" on Friday and did what has been done a million times since LeBron James graced the cover of Sports Illustrated as "The Chosen One" back in 2002:

He compared LeBron to Michael.

But Pippen also did what has been done maybe only once: he said LeBron may be better.

Key word: may.

The exact quote:

Michael Jordan is probably the greatest scorer to ever play in the game, but I may go as far as to say that LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game because he's so potent offensively that not only can he score at will, but he keeps everybody involved and you have to be on your P's and Q's on defense because no guy on the basketball court is not a threat to score when LeBron James is out there.



It's interesting to hear Jordan's longtime teammate say that the reason LeBron may be superior is that "he keeps everybody involved."

Is Pippen right?

Is Jordan a better scorer than LeBron? Probably. Is LeBron a better distributor? Probably. Does that make LeBron a better player than Jordan?

Now, that's where we need some help.

Let's put Pippen's assertion to the test.

If we're doing an honest evaluation, we need to grade LeBron and Jordan on the same age curve. Let's compare LeBron's statistical profile to Jordan's statistical profile through their age-26 season.

LeBron vs. MJ (cumulative per-game stats thru age-26)
Player Min FGA FG% 3FG% FT% Reb Ast TO Pts USG PER
Regular LeBron 40.1 20.6 47.9 32.9 74.4 7.1 7.0 3.3 27.7 31.8 26.9
Regular Jordan 39.0 23.4 51.6 28.2 84.8 6.3 6.0 3.3 32.8 33.8 29.9
Player Min FGA FG% 3FG% FT% Reb Ast TO Pts USG PER
Playoffs LeBron 43.6 20.8 45.9 32.3 74.9 8.5 7.0 3.6 28.7 32.1 27.0
Playoffs Jordan 42.5 25.1 50.5 30.4 83.3 6.9 6.7 3.8 35.8 35.5 29.6


Here, we see that LeBron and Jordan are similar ballplayers in the sense that they score a lot points, they grab rebounds and distribute the ball. Jordan looks to be the superior scorer. He scores more points per game and scores more efficiently, with 3-pointers being the only shooting area in which Jordan doesn't have a leg up on James.

And depending on how you look at it, Jordan was the better shot creator, or he was a bigger ball hog. Jordan shot 23.4 field goal attempts per game and used more possessions while on the floor (USG tells us his usage rate, which is the estimated percentage of team possessions used either via field goal attempt, free throw attempt or turnover).

In the playoffs, Jordan asserted himself more than LeBron. Jordan raised his usage rate to 35.5 percent while LeBron's role grew only marginally in the playoffs (from 31.8 percent to 32.1 percent). But the fact Jordan remained efficient while taking more responsibility indicates that he was creating good shots as opposed to hijacking the offense for himself.

But if we use assists as a measuring stick, LeBron is the better passer at this point. Both LeBron's assists per game and his assist rate (as a percentage of total possessions) rank superior to Jordan's. That's not a total surprise, but the gap is smaller than one might think in the playoffs on a per-game level (7.0 to 6.7).

Overall? Looks like Jordan has him beat through age-26. While it's not the end-all-be-all, Jordan's player efficiency rating (PER) is decidedly better. Using other all-in-one metrics like win shares, we find a similar story: Jordan was overall more valuable according to these catch-all measures.

Forget earlier in their career, is LeBron better than Jordan was at 26 years old?

Let's take a look:

LeBron vs. MJ at 26
Player Min FGA FG% 3FG% FT% Reb Ast TO Pts USG PER
Regular LeBron 38.8 18.8 51.0 33.0 75.9 7.5 7.0 3.6 26.7 31.5 27.3
Regular Jordan 39.0 24.0 52.6 37.6 84.8 6.9 6.3 3.0 33.6 33.7 31.2
Player Min FGA FG% 3FG% FT% Reb Ast TO Pts USG PER
Playoffs LeBron 44.0 18.9 46.3 36.8 78.7 8.9 5.5 2.8 26.0 28.6 26.9
Playoffs Jordan 42.1 26.6 51.4 32.0 83.6 7.2 6.8 3.5 36.7 36.1 31.6


Here, we see a similar story: Jordan's better, and more of a scorer. Statistically, it's worth noting that LeBron's numbers are warped because of his star teammates this season. If, for example, we use LeBron's 2009-10 season as a comparison, it actually looks quite favorable compared to Jordan. But then we're just jumping around all over the place.

One of the big takeaways here is that Jordan did not have to share the ball with Pippen. Or at least, not nearly to the same degree that James has to share with Dwyane Wade ... and then add Chris Bosh to that mix.

When Jordan was in the playoffs during his age-26 season in 1989-1990, he took 26.6 field goal attempts per game. Scottie Pippen that playoffs? 14.0 shots per game. Horace Grant didn't take even 10 shots per game. By comparison, Wade and Bosh have taken 17.7 and 13.3 shots per game, respectively.

So when we compare Jordan and James at age 26, we have to be cognizant of their surroundings and contexts. Additionally, Jordan played in a time when it was more physical for perimeter players because there was no hand-checking rule. So there's that, too, and it's no small thing.

When we look at the assists, Jordan actually has the upper hand when he was in the playoffs. So at this moment, after watching LeBron here in the playoffs, Scottie Pippen is claiming that LeBron may be the better distributor and a better creator for his teammates when, in fact, Jordan at this age was dropping more dimes than LeBron in the playoffs. Of course, James was tallying more assists in Cleveland during the playoffs when he had the ball in his hands almost exclusively. So that's worth keeping in mind.

Another way to look at this would be to compare how LeBron's teammates fare on and off the court with LeBron, and then see what Jordan's teammates looked like. If Jordan racked up assists and made his teammates play better, then he has a solid case that he was just as good of a distributor as LeBron is right now. Unfortunately, we don't have that data at the moment, but the stat geeks out there would love to get their hands on some on-court/off-court data to tease out some of the subtle aspects of the game.

In the end, Pippen's right: LeBron may be the greatest player ever to play the game. His story isn't over yet. He has the size, the athleticism and the tools to get there. But statistically, Jordan is the better scorer and the passing gap isn't great enough to say that LeBron matches Jordan at this juncture in their basketball lifetimes.

They're both great.

The thing is, LeBron has completely overhauled his reputation in a matter of weeks.

We're learning now that as soon as we think we have a handle on James, he decides to write his own chapter in history.

It's worth keeping in mind that Jordan didn't win his first title until his was 28 years old.

LeBron is 26 years old now.

What will be his next chapter?

 

Sorry, just because you say so doesn't make it so.

You are the one that says Derrick Rose sucks(sucks...) and that no one played defense on Jordan.

 

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. And you know it.

 

Like it or love it, Lebron has increased ratings for the NBA, attendance is up, ratings are at a all time high in the playoffs, and NBA.com page hits are up as well.
Everyone is talking about him, and the NBA is making a killing of him.

 

Oh... I'm not his biggest fan, but... I honestly hope they don't make a killing of him.

Don't kill Lerbon.

 

People here claiming that Jordan was reffed normally never saw an NBA game in the 90s.

 

If he was winning and actually getting to the finals or eastern conference finals, why did he leave cleveland. He's only in his 6th year, Micheal Jordan stuck it out with chicago for 8 years before he won his first. Why did he quit, and go join another SUPERSTAR in their prime. Because he was looking for the easy victory, and thats why so many have turned on him, including me. AND thats why he WILL NEVER BE BETTER THAN JORDAN.