So many mad people on this forum, taking the Heat going into the finals personally, and what Lebron did. Enjoy the great basketball that the finals is, and get ready for a great game 1.
Charity is great. But that doesnt mean charity automatically absolves people of douchery committed. Or charity absolves the mindlessness of predicting you can win "8 championships or more" WELL AFTER the charity event. That does not make Lebron a bad person. But those actions needlessly brought negative attention onto himself and on the team in ways other stars and MVPs before him have not done.
Not new at all. I mentioned the league being thinner in my original post to you about the Heat's talent level. Nobody outside of Bird has had that much talent in their prime for a sustained amount of time. Lebron was suppose to be going for the GOAT crown. He can and will get a ring or two but like I originally said there is too much talent on that team all in their primes together for him to be considered the GOAT IMO. There wasn't anything pompous about my response. You tried to focus in on one part of my argument and I didn't want to answer it because I felt you were trying to make it too simple to get the answer you wanted out of me. Saying I explained myself on that issue already isn't pompous.
I'm not sure if you caught how this conversation started or not. It came from me saying the Heat are too talented for Lebron to get in the GOAT conversation. No team has ever had 3 players in their prime at this age except maybe the Celtics. Lebron could have about 4-6 years left of prime ball with all three. Pointing to a team like the 6ers who had a nice run doesn't change my opinion on the sustained talent possibilities of the Heat while Lebron is trying to be the GOAT. Lots of players got help near the end of their careers but nobody outside of maybe Bird got this much right in the middle of it. If you consider age a bogus reason then sure. Kobe got his stacked team with about 3 years left in the tank for him. You give him that team when he is 27 and he would have had a real shot at 5 rings with them. Those stacked Lakers dominated while Kobe was at his best and I think they still would be doing the same if he wasn't so worn down. You let the Celtics get together at 27 and they might have 3-5 too. My whole argument is based on the GOAT aspect and how long these teams can stay in their prime. I'm not talking about teams winning one or two rings but instead teams that have a real shot at 5-7.
Because George Karl used (at the time) illegal zone schemes with an already excellent defensive team.
Kobe got a stacked team from Day 1 in the league. He joined a team that had the most dominant player in the league (Shaq) and several all-star level talents (Van Exel - all star 98; Eddie Jones - all star 97,98,2000; Ceballos - all star 95). In fact, he forced his way to that team by telling everyone through his agent that he wouldn't play for any team but LA. So he got to play through all but three years of his career (admittedly, they fell during his prime) on a stacked team. Does that mean all his rings are tainted?
Larry Bird is in the GOAT convo, right next to Magic. Jordan played all of his prime years next to Pippen, and they both grew old together. Bosh is not as good as you make him out to be, and I'm sure the Heat would gladly give up Bosh for prime versions of Parish/DJ/Ainge or the Bulls players 3-12 (multiple bigs, All-Star PF's, legit shooters, a PG that could actually defend like Harper and Kukoc). I consider all of your reasons bogus, because all you are doing is going through each team and trying to find some seperate way to disqualify that particular team. Age is your reason for one. You create something else to disqualify another. And the worst part is your reasons aren't even legit reasons. You can't disqualify the Bulls based on age. Pippen played with Jordan for 10 full seasons, from the age of 22 and up. So how can the Bulls be disqualified? Because they have Chris Bosh and scrubs from spots 5-12? These Heat don't have more talent than any of those Bulls teams, which had a big 2, a legit PF, multiple 7 footers that were actually good players and tons of shooters. And yes, Bird and Jordan are both in the GOAT convo and Bird had a chance to win 5-7 rings. He won 3 and lost in the Finals or Conf Finals another 4 times.
I don't knpw what you are talking about. Lebron winning a tainted ring?? Lebron won't be winning a NBA championship ring this year. The Dallas Mavericks will and it won't be tainted
The guy shouldve had dwade come to cleveland but I have to give the man credit he is balling outrageous right now
Of course it's not tainted. He didn't do anything wrong or shady. He just took advantage of the system that's in place, in a way that others haven't. He, Wade and Bosh did the smart thing. It's ugly, unpalatable, and they did it in an arrogant way, but it was smart. I'd love to see Miami lose just because they're the big dog that's supposed to win, but there's nothing tainted about it.
Not against the Celtics. He looked good against the Sixers, although he couldn't do much to stop Elton Brand in several of the games. He looked really bad against the Celtics except for one strong game. He looked like a superstar against the Bulls.
If LBJ and dwade didnt have bosh, i don't think they couldn't get past boston. Without Bosh's big games against CHI, the heat wouldn't be goin to the finals right now.
It's tough to say what they would have done without signing Bosh because you don't know who they would have added with the money they didn't give to Bosh.
Absolutely not. Amare is perhaps the worst defensive big-man in the league and would almost completely negate the defensive efforts of LeBron and Wade. At least Bosh can stay in front of his man and get a hand up most of the time.
Only delusional Cleveland fans and dumfu**ck's that don't know basketball actually believe he could have won a ring in Cleveland.
I agree with you 100% if you don't think Bosh is all that good. Bosh did you just score 30 plus twice against the Bulls and shoot 60% from the field so he is a pretty good player, but if you don't think so and think the Heat are a big 2 with an above average third player I agree that the Heat team is no different than a lot of teams we have seen. Once again you are saying Bosh isn't that good so I'm guessing that is where we disagree. If you are just comparing Lebron/Wade vs. Jordan/Pippen then I agree about both teams having a lot of time together at the top of their game. Also, healthy Miller and Haslem aren't scrubs and they showed up big for the Heat in the last series. I judge Lebron the same way I judge Bird and Bird is not in my GOAT convo. He is one of the greatest of all time but I would never argue for him to be the greatest. He played with 2 all stars his entire career and only won three rings. I can't but him ahead of Jordan who got twice as many. or Magic who got 2 more, or even Hakeem who only got 2 but with less talent. You can't make a top 10 list without Larry in it and not seem ridiculuos but you could make a top 5 without him.
Lebron and friends are just realizing everyone's NBA 2K dreams... You always want to have the best player possible at each spot. Well there you go.
