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The “Consistent-Scorer” Stat (feat. Kevin Martin)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BDswangHTX, May 25, 2011.

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  1. BDswangHTX

    BDswangHTX Member

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    Interesting article with a K-Mart mention. This guy came up with a stat to show how consistently a player is able to produce his average scoring output. It appears he’s uses summation notation (which I‘m no expert on), by selecting a specific player then sequentially incorporating the elemental variances of that players PPG with the sum of the same players adjusted TS%, ultimately producing what he calls “Consistency-Value.”

    Guess where Kevin ranks? You might be surprised. You might not. Regardless, I guarantee DM been had been knowing about this stat before this guy ever put pen to paper.

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    This would have to be one of the more 'empty' stats out there. I mean the difference between Player A scoring 25, 25, 25, 25 in 4 games vs player B scoring 48,10, 12, 30 isnt astronomical at all. in fact, it is the Same
     
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    Like the guy said...

     
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    Not really. One guy can be counted on as a go to scorer, and the other can't.

    The interesting thing is how you think about constructing a team. To me, I'd want my starters to be consistent, and have some more volatile bench players. You need some guys capable of going off to put pressure on the defense (e.g., Mad Max), but your go to guys need to be consistent.
     
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    The consistent guy keeps you in games, much less chance of a blowout.
     
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    And this, I feel, is Kevin Martin's true value. He has singlehandedly kept the Rockets in games. Finishing them? Well, that's complicated. ;)
     
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    regarding km, we had quite bit of threads on him. he is, no doubt, absolutely a sharp shooter. here is my opinion on him.

    let's set up a court and have all those superstars (such as kobe, dwade, lebron...) as well as km coming one by one like shooting contest and shoot from different locations on the court. i bet km will be on the top of making most shots.

    now let's back to reality. calm down and think about how he gets his pts. his pts mainly come from 4 ways. 1) wide open shots; 2) fts; 3) backdoor cuts; 4) fast breaks. scoring in 1, 3, and 4 ways generally speaking is under no defense pressure on shooter from other teams. wide open shots are created from other players who break down opponent defense. backdoor cuts are the result of team work and fast breaks shows good defense.

    only thing left is fts. km fts in most time came from his fake jump shooting attempts. you don't see often he broke down opponent defense and force them to foul him, such as breaking down defense to attack the rim. sometimes he did attack the rim but came up with no pts more times than with pts. whether refs should blow the whistle or not is debatable. it is the huge difference btw him and other superstars. it might be the main reason he is not a superstar. it is the reason he can't be dependable when a game is on the line. based on this, he is not a foundation you can build a team around. right now, rox need a foundation. it's our #1 priority. any player including km on our team can be traded if it means to bring us a foundation.

    w/o a foundation, we don't know what kinda team rox is heading to. any players including km on the current roster may or may not be suitable with our future foundation. a major roster makeover will very likely happen so don't tie ourselves with can't trade this player or that player... on the current roster.
     
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    The problem with Martin's game is that that refs mysteriously stop calling the fouls they give him in quarters 1-3, while the douchebag stars with egos, they keep getting them all four quarters. Martin then has a WTF? look and loses focus.

    I was never a fan of Martin before he was a rocket. Now I love the guy. Most under appreciated player since Yao.
     
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    I thought Martin would be higher. Looks like it is hard for a 3pt shooter to rank high, probably because TS% Variance is higher, when you shoot a lot of 3s??

    I don't think you read the article. You only describe PPG Variance. He went way beyond that simple stat.
     
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    I've seen KM make shots plenty of times when he was well-guarded as well. He slings that ball up from his hip so quick that most defenders aren't ready for it even tho they know its coming. I'm not saying your post didn't have good pts, I'm just saying of course any player has a better chance at making open jumpers... KM just has the insane ability to do it either way (unless its the 4th! The no calls, and no shots fall)
     
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    This stat was most likely thrown out by Morey n Co. because it is very flawed.

    The most obvious consideration would be how much the offense is ran through that player. Zach Randolph touches the ball on almost every play on offense. Kevin Martin plays off of the ball, but when he scores, he scores efficiently. Just not as consistent.

    At the end of the game, its still counts towards the same result.

    This stat, in my eyes, is making an assumption that consistency is efficiency and that is not how certain scorers become efficient.

    Take in case Dwayne Wade who is sort of in the same boat as Kevin Martin. He is more of a sporatic scorer. Does that mean that he is any bit less reliable when called upon???... who knows. But every play is not run for Wade as with Martin.

    The only argument you can make here is the coaches need to find a way to get Kevin Martin the ball on every play like Kobe or Randolph. Either that or you need other scorers around them to compensate for the non-sporatic offensive moments in the game for those two players.
     
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    Martin is listed as the 12 most consistent scorer in the NBA, not bad Kevin.
     
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    The study was only done on 19 players.
     
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    Or you just take what the defense gives you, execute well, not care about individual stats, and end up with a top 5 offense like we did this year.
     
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    km said it himself, he doesn't even WANT to be the foundation. he likes being the #2 option.

    a player that readily accepts and embraces his role, especially one as talented as martin, is a rarity. he is a true proffesional and i hope he retires a rocket.

    no matter the foundation (dream, kobe, shaq, lebron, barkley, stockton/malone) a player like martin is always valuable and fits well. and his contract is a good value. trading him wouldn't do much good, because we would need to find another player to fill the exact same role.

    having said that, if somebody is willing to overpay and morey is able to take advantage, why not.
     

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