Who do you want to draft?

Dreamin · May 24, 2011

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When I consider the three picks and our roster, I would rather......

trade Budinger, Hill, Thabeet, and Miller and replace them with draft picks, then to keep those guys on the roster and draft Euros that probably won't see the light of day over here ever, or for many years.

I suspect there is a roster reshuffling on deck the night of the draft.
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I agree all the way and I really hope we get rid of Bud/Hill/Miller/Thabeet and T-Will before pre-season..

coachbadlee · May 25, 2011

Heres an interesting article on which rookies can start immediately.

http://swishscout.com/?p=5486

By now, it’s pretty clear that the depth of the Draft is one of the shallowest in recent history and there is seemingly little to had in the second round. There’s bound to be a sleeper that emerges here and there based on fit, but few present instant impact in a starting rotation right away. If you are looking for guys who have the best chance to start right away, the smart place to look is in the lottery and first round. This is a Draft largely based on potential that will fill out the majority of the lottery and first round, but there are indefinite starters who can play right away. Not saying that everyone on this list will make it depending on which team takes them, but they have the best chance based on their history and skill set.

Honorable Mention: JaJuan Johnson (Purdue), Demetri McCamey (Illinois)

10. Jordan Williams (Maryland)

Williams is a talented big man who has gone largely under the radar in college basketball and in Draft talks. He’s a little undersized for a center, but has a great build and does an excellent job of positioning himself on both ends of the floor in the paint. Jordan was a double-double guy on a nightly basis at College Park and one of the more unheralded players in the ACC. He has a big body, motor, and rebounding ability in the mold of Kevin Love. Williams could easily end up being one of the real sleepers in the Draft, but don’t be surprised if he gets some serious time in a team’s rotation this season because of his post play.

9. Nolan Smith (Duke)

A consummate college star who blew away the NCAA all year in the absence of the Blue Devil’s star PG, Smith is getting sold very short in his year’s draft because of his limited upside and slight height disadvantage relative to his peers. Make no mistake though, this is an NBA-ready guard with a pro skill set who can make an immediate impact. Smith is an aggressive guard who can penetrate the lane, break down his defender off the dribble, and set up his teammates. Smith is about as solid as they come for guards this year and could easily step in for a team at the one or two spot this season.

8. Marcus Morris (Kansas)

About as solid an all-around player in every facet of their game, Marcus has the build and skill set for an NBA forward. At 6’9” with a compact frame, the more perimeter skilled Morris twin has a great inside-out game, giving him the versatility to throw his man off. The big knock on his game is a lack of inconsistency from three and lack of great athleticism, but Morris makes up with it in his feel for the game and basketball IQ. Marcus was one of the lone bright spots for Kansas in the Elite Eight loss to VCU, where he kept them afloat almost single handedly with a 20-point, 16-rebound performance when he was needed most. He can fit in at either at the wing or in the post and will be able to do just fine with his versatility.

7. Chris Singleton (Florida State)

The best pure defender in the Draft, Singleton is a former McDonald’s All-American and a late bloomer at FSU who had injury problems late in the NCAA season. Chris is a unique combination of size at 6’9”, a tremendously long wingspan, and athleticism. The forward has great natural strength and lateral quickness that allows him to guard players on the perimeter or in the post. His versatility allows him to guard nearly every position except for center, and he already does a better defensive job than half of the league. Singleton was a defensive playmaker who bailed out his teammates on blown assignments in college, and will be all the better as a lockdown guy who can focus his efforts to shut down one guy a night when he makes it to the league.

6. Donatas Motiejunas (Lithuania)

Another very versatile player available who should go in the Draft lottery, Motiejunas is a young star in Lithuania in the mold of Andrea Bargnani. Another great European big at seven feet, Donatas has a perimeter game and shooting stroke that make shim a tough matchup for any defender in the NBA. He’s a smart player who has some moves in the paint and a great jump hook, but there have been questions about his toughness, athleticism, and maturity. Motiejunas brings some fire in his game and can play immediately.

5. Enes Kanter (Turkey)

The ineligible Kentucky star that never was, Kanter has been high on a lot of team’s boards because of his inspired, epic performance in last year’s Nike Hoop Summit. A former professional player in the Turkish league for Fenerbahce Ulker, Kanter made some noise as a youngster because of his mature post play. Kanter is far and away the most refined center prospect available in the Draft, and should get some consideration for the No. 1 overall pick. Kanter is a tremendous offensive talent who can play with his back to the basket, or face up in the post and absolutely dominate with his scoring ability and rebounding like Al Jefferson. Enes will probably go in the first five picks, but there’s no question Kanter has what it takes to be a starter, if not all-star, in the NBA and an absolute value if he falls beyond that.

4. Kawhi Leonard (San Diego State)

The San Diego State standout blew away the Mountain West with his scoring prowess and rebounding ability to average an impressive 15.5 points and 10.6 rebounds in a sensational sophomore season. Leonard is a prototypical NBA small forward with great natural strength, athleticism, and feel for the game. His enormous hands are like magnets rebounding the ball and he is an outstanding perimeter forward who brings a lot of energy to the floor on a nightly basis. His shooting consistency is the biggest issue in his game, but word is from pre-draft workouts that his stroke is greatly improved, and if that’s true, Leonard’s stock will skyrocket leading up to the draft. Kawhi was the star of the SDSU show, leading them to their first NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen in school history. He’s a winner and undeniable talent who understands his role and gives his team an outstanding chance to win whenever he’s on the floor.

3. Kemba Walker (Connecticut)

Its well documented that we already believe Kemba could give a team the best value in the Draft, but can he become an instant starter on a team that needs a proven winner? His natural scoring ability, superb quickness, clutch shooting, and history of winning suggests that, depending on a team’s starting line up, that he is of instant assistance to a squad’s starting line up. Originally thought to be a just a backup in the league, Kemba has a big time game that should help instill a winning attitude in a team desperately in need of help. Maybe he’s not a pure point guard, but he will no longer have to deal with nightly double teams at the next level and he does have some underrated passing ability (4.5 assists per game as a junior). Kemba will have no problem creating his own offense and getting his points at the next level, and that should make an instant contender for a team at a starting spot on the wing.

2. Kyrie Irving (Duke)

You don’t take a player No. 1 overall in the NBA just to bench him, and if Irving is that first overall pick, expect him to get significant minutes at the point to ease his learning curve. Despite playing only 11 games in the 2010-11 season, there’s little doubt that Irving can be a franchise cornerstone running the point. He has a complete skill set handling and distributing the ball, and his basketball IQ was clearly a notch above the NCAA competition last season. Still has a rap as a streak shooter, but his 46.2% from three as a freshman have helped to dispel the notion that a defense can just leave him open for the jumper. Many like to compare him to Chris Paul, but he won’t make quite the splash CP3 did as a rookie because of inexperience against elite competition (less than half a season compared to his full two seasons at Wake Forest) like Paul had coming into the league. It will take him some time to reach his potential, but there’s no reason he can’t make some noise around the league as a rookie running the show for a franchise that’s badly in need.

1. Derrick Williams (Arizona)

Funny to think how Williams was projected as a fringe first rounder coming into this past season as far the NBA Draft, but he impressively played his way into consideration for the top pick. Call it a weak draft if you want, but even if Barnes, Sullinger or Jones were available, a team with the top pick would still take a good hard look at D-Will’s potential contributions at forward. While he’s only 6’8”, Williams possesses a lot of grit and toughness that will allow him to bang in the post and muscle his way for scores at the basket and rebounds. Outside of the occasional streak play from Momo Jones, Williams was the heart and soul of the Wildcats Elite Eight run. He wasn’t a great shooter his freshman year, but his incredible 56.8% from three-point range displays how much work went into his game in the offseason and proves how much upside Williams has in his game still. Has probably the best inside-out game of any player in the Draft, and should be able to hang with the best of them because of his competitiveness. Williams is a very smart, battle-tested player who will be in immediate contention for a starting spot among the team that takes him.
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coachbadlee · May 25, 2011

Last, but not least, possible busts.

http://swishscout.com/?p=5691

Every NBA Draft is filled with its share of stars, sleepers, and dreaded ‘busts.’ There’s no telling where they will come from, but you can make an educated guess about who carries the shakiest game entering the league right off the bat. It may be that they are unproven, lack physical build, proper athleticism, size, basketball IQ, or a combination of all the above. ‘Bust’ is usually reserved for highly touted players at the top of the Draft who don’t pan out and fail to live up to expectations, but it can also come in the form of the second rounder that a franchise is counting on as a sleeper.

This list details which players are on the shakiest ground. I am going to get a lot of questions about why Enes Kanter is not on this list, so let me go ahead and tell you: he’s proven. I saw his epic 34-point, 13-rebound performance in person at the Nike Hoop Summit back in 2010 and you don’t dominate Jared Sullinger and many highly touted recruits as a fluke. He has all the tools to be a very good NBA player and relatively underrated prospect in this draft just because he was ineligible for NCAA play this season.

Honorable Mention: Darius Morris (Michigan), Iman Shumpert (Georgia Tech), Andrew Goudelock (Charleston), Chandler Parsons (Florida)

10. Jeremy Tyler (Japan)

No one doubts his natural size, athleticism, or talent, but maturity issues are going to be a huge factor with his precarious draft position. Tyler went from relatively unknown to a potential first rounder after the Draft combine and is a player generating a fair amount of intrigue. All signs point to his character heading in the right direction and he appears to have said all the right things in interviews. We won’t know for sure until he takes the court for an NBA team and interacts with teammates, but he’s a steal, even in the late first round, in my mind.

9. Bismack Biyombo (Congo)

Questions have arisen about his age but whether he’s as younger or older than we think, he has an NBA skill set rebounding the ball and playing tough defense that translates at any level. He couldn’t hit the backside of a barn shooting the ball or put the moves on a player in the post, which is what makes him a work in progress. I have little doubts he can be effective in the NBA based on what he did to the top prep players in the 2011 Nike Hoop Summit who will potentially populate a good portion of the 2012 NBA Draft in a deep talent pool. Still a risk and may take some years to get there like Serge Ibaka, but he’s a high-caliber talent who will get there like Serge has, and then some.

8. Josh Selby (Kansas)

Another player with a world of talent, athleticism and potential, but had a nightmare season at Kansas that impressed no one. You could argue that he made the right choice leaving early, considering he wasn’t a great fit at KU and with the potential strength of the 2012 Draft he would have likely fallen. Questions arise as to if he has the mind set and game to manage a team at the point or if he’s more of a true scorer. At worst, he’s an Eric Bledsoe type player with his explosive athleticism and scoring ability and can give you contributions on the defensive end as well.

7. Lucas Nogueira (Brazil)

I’ve seen him dominante against a group of prep standouts in the Nike Global Challenge and then completely fall flat against them the next night. Nogueira has great size and length, but is very young and still experiencing the usual growing pains in his game. He’s a project at the next level who’s a few years away from being a contributor, but if a team can afford to patient with him then it shouldn’t be a problem. Tremendous upside, but always the chance he doesn’t reach it. Subpar performance in the 2011 Nike Hoop Summit, but scouts still very high on him in the late first or early second round.

6. Davis Bertans (Latvia)

Another European player with incredible size and shooting fundamentals, Bertans is a youngster who is still developing physically and in terms of skill set. His upside is very high, but shot selection is sketchy, body needs time to fill out, and needs more experience in game to grasp how to play within the team. The 18-year-old Bertans is a talent worthy of a late first round selection, but the team that takes him would be better served letting him develop overseas instead of riding the bench.

5. Scotty Hopson (Tennessee)

When an NBA team official warns his scouts at the NBA combine last week not to fall too in love with Hopson’s talents during workouts, you know something is up. Hopson is a natural scorer, but beyond that, he leaves a lot to be desired. There are a number of red flags on his game spanning from turnovers, selfishness, and lack of defensive effort. He’s a player who doesn’t seem to get how to play within the team concept yet, and never really reached his potential as many had hoped he would by now. If ever there was a question mark in the Draft, Hopson is it, and he will pay for it by going in the second round.

4. Jimmer Fredette (BYU)

Some are very high on the former BYU star, others not as much and I am starting to fall in the latter of those two opinions. We’ve already taken an in-depth breakdown of his game earlier in the year and established he has talent to be a contributor as a shooter and instant scoring off the bench, but beyond that is up for debate. There’s no doubting he has a high basketball IQ, incredible shooting range, and a killer crossover, and all of those translate well at the next level. What makes him a potential ‘bust’ is his high projected position in the draft (late lottery, mid-first round), limited upside, lack of athleticism, being undersized, adjusting to a lesser role, taking tamer shots, and what position a team will team to use him at. That’s a lot of questions to address and he won’t ‘Jimmer’ teams on a nightly basis in the NBA like he did in the NCAA, which is what many fans seems to be hoping for from him.

3. Cory Joseph (Texas)

I am just as puzzled as anyone that Joseph decided to enter the Draft this season, but have to assume he thought his stock would take a shot with Myck Kabongo filling in at PG for Texas next season and outshining him. As is, he does have a little bit of intrigue with his game in terms quickness, shooting, and potential, but is years away from being ready for league play and looks destined for considerable time in the D-League. Honestly don’t see him being better than a role player or occasional fill-in starter for a team with injury problems. Projected to go in the mid-late second round, but he’s a risk that some teams can afford to take a chance on that late.

2. Jonas Valanciunas (Lithuania)

Jonas is an extremely intriguing yet very volatile big man in the 2011 Draft. The young Lithuanian prospect has unbelievable size and length for a post player, appealing to many teams because of his solid mobility, rebounding talents, shot blocking prowess, and plentiful upside. Barely 19 years of age and a very raw player, Valanciunas could really end up being a shade below a Pau Gasol caliber post player, or as underwhelming as Jason Smith. He plays in a European system that heavily utilizes the pick and roll, but his post up game is far below par for a player of his caliber. In addition to that, he could stand to add about 10-15 pounds of muscle and needs to develop a reliable face up jumper. There’s also the contract buyout issue that lingers and makes drafting him, especially in the lottery, a big risk with an unknown timetable of when he can come over and play.

1. Jereme Richmond (Illinois)

If ever a player looked like he didn’t belong in the Draft, JR is it this year. Tremendously raw on both ends of the floor, Richmond will be taken almost exclusively on athleticism and potential. He was an unproven player in the NCAA and really didn’t do much to impress scouts with his play. There are numerous questions ranging from shooting consistency, shot selection, inconsistency, creating ability, and motives more making the jump so early. Richmond is a former McDonald’s All-American and highly touted recruit, but during NBA combine workouts last week he looked like he didn’t belong. His body is still maturing and basketball IQ is still developing, which he will need considerable time to arrive at. Looks bound for some serious time in the D-League and may have severely limited his growth in terms of skill set in the long run, as the NCAA is the ideal setting to foster player development for players who aren’t ready, which he isn’t. If ever a player were a gamble and if I were to pinpoint a prospect in the Draft with the least likely chance to make it and be in the league five years from now, my money is on Richmond, unfortunately.
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DragonGirl · May 25, 2011

Tristan Thompson workout in Houston.

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rocketblaze · May 25, 2011

This are the players I would like to target with our picks. In no particular order.

14th pick: SF/PF 6'9 Marcus Morris, SF 6'8 Jordan Hamilton, SF 6'9 Chris Singleton, SF/PF 6'8 Tobias Harris

23rd pick:C 7'0 Nikola Vecuvic, PF/C 6'10 Jeremy Tyler, C 7'0 Lucas Nogueira, PG/SG Josh Selby, PG Reggie Jackson.

38th pick: PF/C 6'10 JuJuan Johnson, C 6'11 Keith Benson, PF 6'10 Trey Thompkins, SG/SF 6'7 Scotty Hopson, PF 6'9 Justin Harper

BimaThug · May 25, 2011

rocketblaze said: ↑

This are the players I would like to target with our picks. In no particular order.

14th pick: SF/PF 6'9 Marcus Morris, SF 6'8 Jordan Hamilton, SF 6'9 Chris Singleton, SF/PF 6'8 Tobias Harris

23rd pick:C 7'0 Nikola Vecuvic, PF/C 6'10 Jeremy Tyler, C 7'0 Lucas Nogueira, PG/SG Josh Selby, PG Reggie Jackson.

38th pick: PF/C 6'10 JuJuan Johnson, C 6'11 Keith Benson, PF 6'10 Trey Thompkins, SG/SF 6'7 Scotty Hopson, PF 6'9 Justin Harper
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Not a bad list. I'm a little skeptical of Marcus Morris being able to play SF in the NBA, so I'd maybe pass on him (although I guess you take the guy if he's clearly the BPA on the Rockets' draft board).

Also, if they keep all three picks (I'm guessing the odds of that happening are below 50%), you can bet that at least one of those picks is going to be an international prospect. Otherwise, it's like throwing away a pick, since it is highly unlikely that the Rockets will roster three rookies next season without a major trade that creates the available roster spots.

anchel · May 25, 2011

Not a big fan of him, but if Motiejunas falls until the 14th... do you pass on him?

desi tmac91 · May 25, 2011

Tito in Sta Monica:
Hi Mr. Givony! How are you? What do you think of brazilian big Lucas Nogueira??

Jonathan Givony:
Tudo bom? I like him, as you can see by reading his profile: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Lucas-Nogueira-5957/ He's a couple of years away from being ready to play in the NBA, but if the team that drafts him does a good job developing him, he could be a guy that ultimately significantly outperforms his draft position. There needs to be a plan in place, though, and plenty of patience while he comes along. That means he's definitely not for every GM, and certainly not for every head coach.
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Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/chat.asp?chat_topics_id=1651#ixzz1NPFMy5ZU

I think it was also Givony who said a few weeks back that the Rockets were well known by prospects for their success at developing players. It makes you wonder if Houston is one of the destinations that Nogueira desires to end up.

crash5179 · May 25, 2011

anchel said: ↑

Not a big fan of him, but if Motiejunas falls until the 14th... do you pass on him?
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who is left on the board?

dreamfellas21 · May 25, 2011

i see quite a bit of people here wanting a SF at pick 14. do you all not want T-Will back?

i wont lie tho, if singleton is the defensive genius he's supposed to be it'd def. be nice against the best wing players in the league.

i like markieff morris b/c he's got the size and defined position at 4 while marcus seems to be a tweener.

i also like marshon brooks but i dont think high scoring wings in college necessary translate into a good NBA player. (someone mentioned jermaine taylor. how about morris almond?)

all of this assuming we keep the picks. i am leery of international players for sure.

thoughts?

dreamfellas21 · May 25, 2011

as far as the 23rd pick, i'd definitely take a gamble on jeremy tyler.

Egghead · May 25, 2011

Tobias Harris.

He tested out well at the combine and really helped his stock. I think he would fit in well with the Rockets. He's a very smart player.

scouting report from mynbadraft.com

Versatile player can play either forward position, sees the floor and handles the ball well, rebounds, slashes and is unselfish. A high character kid whose attitude and work ethic will add a lot to his team to go along with a great deal of talent, and the fact that he doesn’t turn 19 until summer makes him even more impressive. At 6ft 8 225lbs he already has a good body that is not done developing. As he develops I think his greatest strength will be a mid range game, he has broad shoulders, good length and a nice touch and will be able to score through contact. Also will commit to defense and is a team player.

As Harris develops he has less and less weaknesses but lacks an element to his game that stands out. Right now I call him a combo forward for his versatility but also in part to the fact he is a little undersized for PF and lacks the range and quickness to play SF.

Harris will be a good pick, I think he is a role player right away with the potential to be a key player on a good team. I would like to see him fill out more physically to become a PF where he will excel at a one on one mid range game. I see him being a combination of Jeff Green and Paul Millsap down the road.

anchel · May 25, 2011

My guy at the finals...

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jogo · May 25, 2011

If we don't trade picks (very unlikely that we keep all 3) then TODAY I like:
14 Tobias Harris, Tristan Thompson, Monty if he drops
23 Noguiera, Singleton if he drops
38 Benson, J. Williams, J. Tyler

LongTimeFan · May 25, 2011

Keep It Simple Stupid

Kenneth Faried

He's a good defender that's going to be a double-digit rebounder. Take him at #14 if you can't move up.

coachbadlee · May 25, 2011

I still want that 14th pick to be used on Marshon Brooks. I wouldn't mind using the 23rd and 38th in a package trade to move up.

LongTimeFan · May 25, 2011

coachbadlee said: ↑

I still want that 14th pick to be used on Marshon Brooks. I wouldn't mind using the 23rd and 38th in a package trade to move up.
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Might as well change that $20 to $40. :grin:

Whose going to be guarding Durant in the playoffs? This is the guy we should be moving up for:

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The83rdWonder · May 26, 2011

Excepts from Ford draft chat rumor mill:

Clark (Houston)
What do you make of Rockets probably hiring McHale as there next coach. Who would they like to draft?

Chad Ford
I actually think McHale is an excellent coach. Terrible GM, but a very good coach. Players like playing for him. And I think that was a key in the Houston job. Rick Adelman is loved by players. You can't replace him with someone they hate to play for. I'm happy for Kevin if the Rockets decide he's their guy ... it's a good opportunity.
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Nicky J (SLC)
Is Chris Singleton a top ten pick come draft night?

Chad Ford
He's a lottery pick. Not everyone agrees, but enough teams in the lottery like him that I think he goes there. Bobcats, Bucks, Jazz and Rockets all fans.
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Burton (Oklahoma)
Tobias Harris to the Thunder at 24!!! Young backup SF/PF with a good basketball IQ. What do you think?

Chad Ford
Don't think he slides that far ... but would be a very good pickup for the Thunder. I think Denver at 22 is his backstop. Rockets looking hard at him at 14.
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Noob Cake · May 26, 2011

Rockets looking hard at everyone....

Htown's2kFinest · May 26, 2011

Egghead said: ↑

Tobias Harris.

He tested out well at the combine and really helped his stock. I think he would fit in well with the Rockets. He's a very smart player.

scouting report from mynbadraft.com

Versatile player can play either forward position, sees the floor and handles the ball well, rebounds, slashes and is unselfish. A high character kid whose attitude and work ethic will add a lot to his team to go along with a great deal of talent, and the fact that he doesn’t turn 19 until summer makes him even more impressive. At 6ft 8 225lbs he already has a good body that is not done developing. As he develops I think his greatest strength will be a mid range game, he has broad shoulders, good length and a nice touch and will be able to score through contact. Also will commit to defense and is a team player.

As Harris develops he has less and less weaknesses but lacks an element to his game that stands out. Right now I call him a combo forward for his versatility but also in part to the fact he is a little undersized for PF and lacks the range and quickness to play SF.

Harris will be a good pick, I think he is a role player right away with the potential to be a key player on a good team. I would like to see him fill out more physically to become a PF where he will excel at a one on one mid range game. I see him being a combination of Jeff Green and Paul Millsap down the road.
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This is my guy I see this team drafting if we keep the 14th pick and that's who I want the team to draft if none of the international bigs projected in the lottery aren't available. Some compare his game to Battier for his defense and high IQ which I can see but I think that's a bad comparison just for the fact the Battier had no offense beside the corner threes. Tobias Harris actually has an offensive game. Was an All-American as a freshman and average 15.3ppg. He showed that he has nice handles, often bringing the ball up himself. And he showed he can shoot off the dribble, drive & score, or post up if he has a mismatch. I see him as more of a Danny Granger at his best than a Shane Battier. Unselfish, plays with a lot of fire, and has the work ethics. He went from 14-15% body fat around the beginning of his freshman year to 8% body fat. An interview with DX, he said that, "no one will out work me". I like his attitude and pose especially for a 18 year old. This is him putting in work on his shot @ 2AM and some of his highlights at Tennessee:

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Few years from now, I could see he being one of the top 3 players in the draft this year and I wouldn't be surprised at all if another team sees his potential & swoops him up a couple of pick before us.

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