Eastern Conference Finals (Playoff): Chicago Bulls(1) Vs Miami Heats(2)

pippen also had playoffs runs where he shot 39% from the field, 29% from 3, and 64% from behind he arc.

wade on the other hand won a ring and was finals mvp with one of the greatest finals performances of all time.

 

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People seem to forget Wade's performance that year. Shaq didn't do much, Payton hit a big game winner, but Wade was superman.

 

Nope it isn't enough. I feel like most fans want to see greatness and competitiveness. As much of a dick as Jordan was off the court there was nobody out there that was a harder competitor. Jordan wanted to be the best and when he won he wanted everyone to know that he was the main reason it happened. That guy held a grudge like no other and it drove him to greatness. Lebron on the other hand spits in the faces of fans and the sport all the time. He steals the show at the dunk contest to announce he will be in it then backs out. He dances on the sidelines like he is a kid in the middle of games. And then to top it off he goes and joins up with another top 3 player and a top 20 player to put himself in a situation where he is almost guaranteed a ring minus injuries. I like to see players push themselves to greatness not just take the route they think is the easiest to winning. There is a huge difference between having help and stacking the odds in your favor.

How is that crap? The dude is from Cleveland and it just so happens his favorties teams are the teams that were winning when he was growing up? Not to mention I'm pretty sure he said he was a Bulls fans too. Cheering for the best teams is frontrunnign plain and simple. Then joining up with Wade and Bosh just adds to the belief IMO.

Unless one of those three get hurt or the new CBA completely prevents them from adding more role players they will win at least one ring. If injuries come he has an excuse and if the CBA screws them he has that excuse too. As much as I hate the guy I recognize that those three are getting a ring if they can stay on the court the next 6 years.

Yes he is the best player on his team but his team is so good that they don't need him to be a consistant all time great to win it all. Assuming the heat don't exist a team made up of Paul/Howard/Amare Paul/Dirk/Aldridge Dirk/Johnson/Howard and a lot of other combos like that would be doing the same thing the heat are.

 

Wrong. Cheering for the best teams and then changing teams when they're no longer good is frontrunning. Becoming a Dallas Cowboys fan when you're 8 years old because they're on TV all the time and still being a Cowboys fan when you are 27 and they haven't won a damn thing in 15 years is not frontrunning.

I agree with your statement that they will almost certainly win a championship during the next six years barring injury. However, one championship is not a success. If Lebron's current contract expires and he is a one (or even two or three) time champion, he has failed. Putting yourself in the situation where you are expected to win the championship every single year is not putting yourself in a "no lose situation."

 

I would agree if it was just the Cowboys but Cowboys, Yankees, Bulls is a clear sign of frontrunning IMO.

My strong hate for him as an athlete, not a person, made me want to never see him get a ring but I can agree that only 1 or 2 is probably still a failure for a career but not a complete one because he can always say I won it all. I feel like he let a lot of people down, including his doubters, by not proving that he could get one as the alpha dog of the team.

 

wade > pippen.

and for the people who criticize lebron leaving, should he wait for the cavs management to get him another all-star? he has waited for 7 years. when is his scottie pippen going to come? he knows it won't happen, so he made it happen.

i mean, mo williams is now the 4th best player on the clippers, and he was lebron's robin. do you see how bad that sounds?

if GMs or teams can determine where players can be traded, why can't players determine where they can go? it was within his right to do so.

if lebron does win 3+ championship, he will go down as a top 2-3 player of all time when he retires. it's that simple

 

i disagree with this. shaq/kobe didn't win every year and they are considered the 2nd best duo to jordan/pippen.

if they win 3 championships and go to a few more finals like shaq/kobe did, it would still be considered a success. a failure is one championship and not getting to the finals repeatedly and winning some more.

if they win all 6 (which i doubt b/c wade is 29), that is call a legendary dynasty.

 

Lebron shouldn't have stayed in Cleveland. In today's NBA GMs can put players in salary cap hell and the players shouldn't have to stick around and be punished for bad front office decisions. However, I do think he went beyond help and competitiveness when he teamed up with Wade and Bosh. Going to NY with Amare would have been a respectable move IMO.

 

people would rather lebron lose putting up 40/8/8 with a godly PER and bum ass mo williams as his 2nd best player than win with the level of talent that other great championship teams before him had so they can call him lebronze, lequitter, lebrick, etc

 

Shaq and Kobe didn't say their only goal was to win a championship every single season before they had played a single game together.

 

Lebron James is the alpha dog of the team. Can you name a single player in the history of the league who had more points, rebounds, assists, and steals than the next best player on his team -- all while shooting a higher FG%, 3P%, and FT% and out-earning him in MVP votes 522-24 -- that was NOT considered the alpha dog of the team? And if so, did this guy routinely guard the other team's best player as James does?

 

Wow, no one in the league can do what Lebron does right now.
Lebron is far out the best player in the league, in terms on what he brings to the floor.
You need to stop hating, and enjoy the game.

 

Id love ta hear gmoneys "answer" to this

 

Regardless of whether or not he is the best player in the league or the only player in the league with his skill set, there are still 5-10 players that could have the Heat up 2-1 and be the favorites to win it all right now. CP3, Drose, Howard, Dirk, Williams, Durant, Nash, and maybe Melo and Kobe could all play with Wade and Bosh and have them up 2-1 in the ECF. Some of those players would compliment Bosh/Wade more than Lebron would but that doesn't mean they are better players. When you have a top 3 player in Wade and a top 20ish player in Bosh you don't need the best player in basketball to win it all. I honestly think the Heat would be a better team with Howard than Lebron even though I don't think Howard is the better player.

 

You act as if Lebron blew Dwade away in all those stats. He averaged 1 point more than Wade, 1 rebound more than Wade, 2 assists more than Wade, and .1 more steals than Wade. The heat are a 2 man team. At the end of the game it isn't give the ball to Bron and get out of the way. He and Wade have split the closing role in the playoffs. Throughout the playoffs the MVP role has jumped back and forth between the two and I'm not even sure most people including Lebron and Wade would say that Lebron is the leader of that team.

 

Not one of those players can do what Lebron does for Miami.
Lebron guards and plays 5 positions on the court, is the main play maker a lot of the times, plus the main scorer. Lebron is the one of best defenders in the league, none of those players come close to it.

 

They don't need to do all of that. Howard brings rebounding, shot blocking, and low post scoring which are three things the Heat don't do well. Howard next to Bosh would make Bosh's life a lot easier. Dirk brings perimeter shooting which is another thing the Heat don't do well. CP3, Nash, and Williams are the three best passers in the league and Nash is probably the best shooter in the league. All of the players I named add something the Heat don't have even though they can't do all the things Lebron does. All of the players I named are good scorers and without Lebron Bosh and Wade would get more shots and make up that difference.

 

Yeah, and Shaq could have won three (maybe more) titles with half a dozen swingmen back in 2000. So what? The sad fact is that a player's legacy is largely based on what teammates he has, and LeBron wasn't going anywhere with the crap fiesta he had in Cleveland. Miami being the favorites now and in the future just shows he made the correct decision.

 

how would going to amare be more of a respectable move? amare is still a superstar, and aren't you making a claim that you want to beat "other" superstars?

what if he went to the bulls and rose became the player he is right now, him, rose, and boozer wouldn't be that much different from the heat (probably even better b/c of noah). people wouldn't diss him then?

the reason the hate is strong is primarily b/c of the decision, which was in poor taste.

with lebron winning now, more people are finally acknowledging that he IS clearly the best player in the game. if you win, people don't care how you win. it's not like lebron has to do less than what other superstars have to do to win a championship. would you say his workload is less than that of a kobe bryant when he won championships?

lebron really has to raise his level of play this postseason and be "clutch" for his team to close out series.

exactly. he can still put up ridiculous #s and win at the same time. so why not do that? he's putting up 25, 9, 5, 1.5, 1.4, and top 3 defender type of defense. his all-around game is at his all-time peak right now despite playing with other stars.

in cleveland, we wouldn't be able to see him dominate defensively like this b/c he has to do so much offensively. like you said, 40/8/8 on 50%+ shooting and he still lost. that's just ridiculous right there