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Who do you want to draft?

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by JMAD21, Jan 8, 2011.

  1. The83rdWonder

    The83rdWonder Member

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    From Chad Ford's draft blog

    Other Rockets related excerpts:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog...spn.go.com/nba/blog?name=nba_draft&id=6578427
     
  2. Rockets_4_life

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    His been killing it in interviews. Team's are getting really excited about him, and his sky rocketing up the draft boards.

    There's a good chance we're going to have to use the 14th pick on him, in order to get him. Which I think could be a steal.

    If you think about it, this guy was the #1 prospect in the 2010 H.S. Class, had he gone to college and gone the regular route, he'd be in the mention as a top 5 pick. So at 14, with the maturity he has shown, he could be a steal.
     
  3. Tom Bombadillo

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    I would be very excited If we drafted Jeremy Tyler, because it means that Daryl believes in him...


    It seems like he has grown as an adult judging from his interviews...
     
  4. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

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    Sorry, I'm not sold.

    Remember, there is a ton of misinformation being passed around the league right now. There is no incentive for teams to let the media know who they really like the most. So, I just don't buy a lot of media reports right now.
     
  5. danoman

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    I dont really know to much about this kid, but my questions are, why in world did this guy not go to college if he could have possibly been a lottery pick? Is he a money chaser? what about his loyalty? what about his basketball IQ and fundamentals?
     
  6. jopatmc

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    Because the adults around him made bad decisions and influenced him in the wrong way.

    And that is what an NBA team has to look forward to in the development of this man-baby. The constant negativity of the wrong people around him.

    Here's an old article from Seth Davis about Tyler:


    http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/h...rs-story-turning-quickly-into-cautionary-tale



    Jeremy Tyler's story turning quickly into cautionary tale

    Hopefully by now you've read Pete Thamel's gripping story from Sunday's New York Times on the struggles Jeremy Tyler, who instead of getting ready to begin his senior season at San Diego High School is struggling while playing for Maccabi Haifa, a professional team in Israel that is paying him all of $140,000 this season. My first reaction to this story was to say thank goodness for newspapers. Thamel has been way ahead of the competition in reporting Tyler's story, and it is remarkable that at a time when many newsrooms (including the Times) are cutting back jobs, his editors sent him all the way to Israel to give this story a proper vetting. So bravo.

    Second, I did a triple take when I read that Tyler's agents at Wasserman Media Group had the brilliant idea to send Makhtar Ndiaye, who is one of their agents, over to Israel to, as Thamel put it, "help [Tyler] focus." Ndiaye, you may recall, is the former North Carolina forward who accused Utah freshman Britton Johnsen of calling him the N-word during the Tar Heels' loss to the Utes at the 1998 Final Four. When the accusation rightly caused a major stir, Ndiaye was forced to admit he had totally made it up. Ndiaye played very briefly in the NBA and also spent some time in the NBDL, where he once drew a five-second call on an inbounds play because he was waving at a friend in the stands. This, my friends, is Jeremy Tyler's lodestar.

    Meanwhile, Tyler's parents remain back home in southern California, as does his sometime-advisor Sonny Vaccaro. That distance is taking its toll, as Jeremy expressed to Thamel that he feels like he can no longer trust his own father. Vaccaro has made no secret of his crusade to undermine the NCAA, and he was more than happy to facilitate Tyler's leap to international basketball, just like he helped Brandon Jennings get a contract to play in Italy. (Vaccaro was also more than happy to facilitate Tyler's signing with Wasserman, where Vaccaro's close friend, Arn Tellem, is the head of the agency division.) But forget about basketball for a minute. Did Vaccaro ever consider that turning professional and playing overseas at such a young age was not in the best interests of Jeremy's psychological and emotional development? There's more to life than learning the drop step.

    If you thought Thamel was tough on young Jeremy, the view from Israel is even more scathing. I asked my friend Ze'ev Avrahmi, who covers sports (among other things) for the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, to provide a local take on how Tyler is doing. Here is part of what he emailed me in response. (Note: Ze'ev's English is good but a little broken, so I've cleaned it up a little):

    "Jeremy is actually doing very badly. They have a lot of problems with him on and off the court. He is late, has no discipline, goes clubbing, doesn't learn the game. Most players are alienating themselves from him. They see all the global coverage and they don't think he earned anything to grant it. He also refused to turn off the music in his house during Yom Kippur and now the owner wants to throw him out. Plus, he trashed his coach.

    And worst of all: He produces nothing on the court. Nothing. Yesterday he was thrown out of a game after he head-butted an opponent.

    Keep in mind there is a silent professional-financial argument here. The man who brought him is the owner of the team, Jeff Rosen, who also purchased the right for Internet streaming of the Israeli league in America. For him, Tyler is a marketing vehicle. By doing that he put his coach, Avi Ashkenazi, in a tough spot because he wants to see results. Ashkenazi is taking the company line, but he told an Israeli newspaper: 'I think what happened to [Tyler] is an injustice. People piled on him disproportionate expectations resulting in him valuing himself wrongly.'"

    Avrahmi added in his email that while he was watching a game in Israel, a disappointed Haifa fan saw him writing in his notebook and suggested that he write, "At this point, Tyler will not be number one even in the draft of the Saudi Arabia league."

    As for Brandon Jennings, a lot of people are holding up his strong start with the Milwaukee Bucks (18 points and four assists through five games) as validation of his decision to play in Italy. But it bears repeating –- a thousand more times if necessary –- that Jennings did not have much choice. He had committed to play for Arizona, but as his freshman year approached he still had not been declared eligible by the NCAA because his standardized test store had been flagged. So Jennings's choice was not between Europe and major college ball. It was between Europe and prep school, junior college or somewhere in the NAIA. He may have made a good choice for him, but contrary to conventional wisdom that does not mean the floodgates are about to open with scores of American high school players heading overseas.

    Look, I am strongly in favor of young athletes getting every opportunity to pursue their dreams, which is why I have consistently argued against the NBA's age minimum, even though it has been a great boon for college basketball. And I honestly hope that someday Jeremy Tyler will have the successful NBA career that Jennings seems to be embarking upon. But it seems quite obvious, at least in the short term, that Tyler has made a horrible mistake -– and there no going back, since he has forfeited his amateur status. He may yet see his dreams come true, but for the moment Jeremy Tyler is not a success story but a cautionary tale, one which any player contemplating a similar path should pay very strong heed.
     
  7. Htown's2kFinest

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    Does he actually think he'll measure with a 40 inch vert... :confused:
     
  8. crash5179

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    Don't think I would spend a 1st on Tyler. Maybe with the second round pick I would take a shot.
     
  9. jopatmc

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    That's right. He's got the athleticism to play. But that's all we got right now. He's shown no discernable NBA skill. And worse yet, he's been mismanaged..........which is most likely to continue.....unless he mans up, fires his father, his agent, and his advisors, and gets himself a new team surrounding him. Not very likely. But in the event he did, and in the event he got his keester in the gym and became coachable, he could become something.

    SECOND ROUNDER!
     
  10. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    My analogy is based on the quality of big man potential for a late round pick risk. I'm not comparing them athletically.

    Jordan just like Tyler was seen a too big a risk for most teams to pick in the first round.


    And I too would rather use our 2nd rounder to draft him but he won't there in the second. Teams like the Heat and Celtics need a big and will gladly take him.
     
  11. danoman

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    If no trades go down for the rockets on draft day and we keep our picks that would mean we aquired the rights to 3 players, i belive that at least one if not 2 of them would have to go play in europe and frankly i dont think jeremy tyler wants to go back (i hope im wrong)...so the question is how would we open roster space for him and the 14th pick on this team if we drafted him?
     
  12. DragonGirl

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    Maybe Klay Thompson can be our eventual replacement for Kevin Martin if we draft him and “sell high” on Martin. :)

    Like for example trading Martin to the Jazz for #3 Kanter! Some promising stuff about Kanter:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/05/23/predraft.camp.wrap/index.html
     
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  13. coachbadlee

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    I really don't think Tyler is going to make it to the 2nd round. If we are to get him, it would have to be with the 23rd pick. Either him or Vucevic. That 2nd round pick should be for Jimmy Butler.
     
  14. BasketballReasons

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    Am I the only one who thought Tyler was kind of full of BS in his interview (with DX)?

    Seemed completely staged.

    Other than that, I think I might take a shot at him with the #23rd depending on who is still there. You don't teach that kind of talent, I just hope he has good work ethic, which I've come to realize is the second most important attribute in a rookie.
     
  15. Houston_Rockets

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    Fist off, let me say thanks to coachbadlee and DragonGirl (along with others), to keep us informed about rumors quotes, opinions about this draft, good work.

    Talking specifically about rumors saying what players DM is targeting or trades to move up. It is too early to say what players we really are interested in. We have been connected to almost 1/3 of all players projected to be drafted in the 1st round, simply because we are out there interviewing guys like crazy, and sources start to speculate out of these little things.

    Not saying that those infos are irrelevant for us, they aren´t, but if there is one team that no one knows what will do, it is us. I just like the fact that DM is out there just gathering information about everyone even if they are not draft targets, but possible future trade options.

    Do your homework correctly, and more times then not, you choose guys correctly.

    Kanter huh??? we will see......:p

    PeAcE
     
  16. DragonGirl

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    ^^Agree. Take rumors as the grain of salt please!!
     
  17. BasketballReasons

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    Kanter is the most intriguing player in the draft IMO, and also the biggest risk.

    Could turn out to be a genius pick, or a "Medellin" in Entourage massacre...
     
  18. Dreamin

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    Exactly. IMO we need to stay far away as possible when gambling with health risks.
     
  19. No Worries

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    Does Jeremy Tyler play center? If not, then do not want, unless in the second round.

    Even if Tyler can play center, he will need a lot of work to get ahead of Thabeet, who will be fighting hard to get backend center minutes next season.
     
  20. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Tyler is 19 years old. with a 7'5 wingspan. Of course he can play center and it will be a great project for this team.
     

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