Eastern Conference Finals (Playoff): Chicago Bulls(1) Vs Miami Heats(2)

Maybe offensively, but Dennis Rodman is a hall of famer and Horace Grant was an all-defensive team guy who put up 15/11. Very comparable to Bosh's production, I would actually prefer 15/11 to 18/8 from my big man.

 

there will always be excuses for Lebron no matter what. He plays with 2 All stars, that is PLENTY.

 

Pippen Career Averages
16.1 points
6.4 rebounds
5.2 assists

DWade Career Averages
25.4 points
5.1 rebounds
6.3 assist

Bosh
20 points
9.2 boards

Look at Pippens stats and he is a top 50 player ever? No, MJ makes him a top 50 player ever.

 

Ridiculous to look at career stats when Pippen played a half dozen years injured and past his prime. I guarantee you Wade's career stats are going to take a huge hit if he plays into his late 30's.

Pippen was a good scorer, great playmaker, and arguably the best perimeter defender ever. He's not overrated.

 

didn't say he was overrated. I think a lot of guys could have similar stats playing with MJ.

 

MJ averaged 20 points as a 40 year old man

 

Pippen was a good offensive player and Wade is an elite one. However, Pippen was also the best perimeter defender of all-time.

 

wade has a PER of 26.6 right now in the playoffs. that's much higher than pippens career high playing alongside jordan

 

Pippen wasn't a scorer and he certainly wasn't Michael Jordan. I just don't think the difference between Wade and Pippen is significant. Prime for prime, Wade was a better scorer and Pippen was a superior defender.

There is no stat for defense, so you can't just put their statistics side by side. If you're going to use statistics, put their prime stats against each other, not career stats which are heavily skewed by players playing past their prime.

 

Saying that he is not a top 50 player of all time is calling him overrated.

 

Pippen was putting up his best career numbers during the year and a half that MJ was retired. He led the team in just about everything, averaged 22/9/6/3stls/1blk while shooting 49% from the field.

He's nowhere near the scorer Wade is, but he was a far better defender. Pippen was not only able to play on-the-ball defense, he also didn't have the horrible habit Wade has of falling asleep on D when his man is moving without the ball.

 

Bosh is tall, athletic and has great length, which is why he is a great team defender. He might not be a great man on man defender, but he is one of the best pick and roll defenders in the league, and is a good rebounder, despite Wade and Lebron crashing the boards all game.
Bosh is also dropping 30 points, on what people say is the best D in the league..

 

lol bosh has a couple 30pt games and now he's a "good defender" and a "good rebounder" haha how about how he's sucked throughout the season. and when i say suck, i mean relative to his salary

 

his role on the team makes it hard for him to "produce" statistically relative to his salary.

if he was the man on another team, he would be putting up 22+ and 12+. would your opinion change? kevin love puts up those numbers and his teams have been worse than bosh when he was a raptor and i'm sure many here put love above bosh right now.

the guy took a huge dip in his rebounds, and i'm sure he should receive criticism for that. but for him to still average 19 points as a 3rd option and play great defense (he's a huge reason for miami's great D) are huge.

no 3rd option should be paid that much, but looking at his production in prior years, ANY team, including us, would have showered him with max money last offseason

 

What excuse am I making for LeBron? How am I making an excuse for him by saying he has less help than Magic or Jordan? Is this not true?

 

Pippen had great stats without MJ. Pippen took a team to the 2nd round without MJ. Pippen got to the WCF without MJ. Pippen was a great player.

 

Hmm perhaps hes saying the Heat are the greatest team ever assembled talent wise and that you are making excuses for Lebron in disagreeing with that assessment??

Personally I'd take Bird/Mchale/Parish/Dj/Ainge/Walton, Magic/Worthy/Kareem/Scott/Cooper, Jordan/pippen/kukoc/rodman/Harper and Jordan/Pippen/Grant/Armstrong/Paxon over these Heat in terms of talent.

In fact, I'd probably rank the Lakers led by Prime Shaq, with Kobe, Fisher, Fox, Horry, Grant and Harper. While Bosh is a better third player than any on the Lakers squad, the rest of that team is far superior and its arguable that a one two combo of prime Shaq and Kobe are better than Lebron/Wade.

 

Kobe/laker trolls dont care bout truth or facts, them things would mess up they fake argument

 

So would I. It's hilarious that some folks make this team out to have the most talent that we have ever seen. I still think LA and Boston have more talent 1-12.

 

Heat have had one season to build a roster, so you can judge there roster in 2-3 years as most of those teams where together.
Anyway, having a deep roster is overrated, as in playoffs, you really only go 8 deep at max.