I can't wait for more posts where people excuse the discrimination and oppression of people going on right now, based on the U.S. treatments of Native American tribes hundreds of years ago. Because the US behaved horribly hundreds of years ago, doesn't mean we should support Israel doing horrible unjust actions themselves in the present day.
I didn't excuse anything. That said, we are a nation surrounded two relatively weak and docile neighbors historically and a bunch of water, yet our narrative is one of violently taking land from indigenous populations via deceit or destruction and then instituting oppressive and discriminating laws for generations. Even today we live under an executive government (in general, not just Obama. Bush I, Clinton, Reagan, Bush 2, etc) that supports the stripping of personal privacy and the infringement on property rights by the federal government. I am intrigued that we have it in us to have such moral outrage at the actions of a state surrounded by those who want it destroyed.
*implying that one cannot be outraged about the federal government of the United States and the actions of Israel* you would think the two are kinda related, no? those among us politically active and intelligent enough to critique Israel also often find the time to critique the federal government. It's not like moral outrage is some kind of fountain of fuel. It's a natural reaction to events you learn about.
Native Americans are oppressed today by the US. Ever heard of the Bureau of Indian Affairs. It's horrible.
I agree that we violently attacked and slaughtered and perpetrated a genocide to take our land. I also agree that the executive govt. strips personal privacy. I'm against all of that. That doesn't mean it's OK to support Israel putting an Apartheid system in place.
Would you care to point out any institutional discrimination involved and ongoing against Native American Tribes?
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it amuses me to see staunch American patriots take the stance that their country's history is so ugly, that they can't attack other countries about seizures of land. here, this works for the Vatican. learn to live with the fact that your ancestors did terrible things, and work to make sure these terrible things don't happen again for anyone else.
then what the hell are you doing up bringing the oppression of native Americans in a thread about Israel's 1967 borders.
Explaining to FB that the injustices he thought were ancient history are actually still very relevant. I figured he would want to know if such a thing was going on in his backyard.
Fair enough--- although the point you addressed was based on an argument that keeps on recurring in this thread, so I guess you can consider my reply a general reply to the people who brought up the seizure of land from Natives in the first place, and to those who are reading who are thinking similar thoughts.
I can't watch it from the computer here, so I'll do it when I get back home. But I will say injustices go on all the time, and are often committed by governmental authority. However, there is a difference between that happening, and those injustices being codified, and part of official govt. policy. Either way I'm against it, and depending on what's going on maybe I'll get more active. I've done some activism with Native American groups in the past on various issues, but I don't recall any specific mentions of institutionalized oppression ongoing against the tribes.
80% of Muslims in Pakistan, Egypt, and Jordan believe in the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim faith (these countries are about 95% Muslim). As long as so much intolerance exists, that part of the world will always be silly,pathetic, and violent. Oil wells drying up won't change anything. http://pewresearch.org/databank/dailynumber/?NumberID=1184
The fallacies are strong with this one. Silly, pathetic and violent. "That" part of the world. Man, I sure hope you aren't talking about Israel!
Here, let me sink to your level of reasoning... You mean silly (commiting suicide before a doomsday date predicted by a con), pathetic (you, bigtexxx, Rockets Pride, basso, etc), and violent (starting 2 wars at same time)? derp derp btw, I know my one-liner you quoted may have been too generalizing but folks who aren't bigoted like you can see why it is relevant
Ah yes, I haven't seen that once since thelast time the PRCbots broke it out for Tibet. Colonialist oppression that occurred 400 years ago by different actors in a different time and place justifies all present and future actions by an unrelated set of actors in the present day in an unrelated place. ANALOGIEZ WE HAZ THEM!
