If it was you being denied your life, however difficult that life might be, I'm pretty sure you'd think otherwise. It's probably worse actually. If someone drives drunk, there may not necessarily be a negative impact on that person or someone else, ever. An abortion has a significant negative impact on society. A life is always taken in an abortion and a society that allows abortion has decided that there are things more important than valuing the right to life and that is a sad thing.
A trite, tired emotional ploy... but I'll bite. Yeah, it'd suck to be little Donny's (if I even had a name at that point) cluster of cells. But I'd go to my petri dish knowing (or actually probably not knowing, since my central nervous system wouldn't have developed yet most likely) that my demise was just a consequence of living in a more civilized, happier, healthier world. You just lost me completely on this one. Wow. We probably shouldn't discuss this anymore with each other.
I'm not exactly sure. From what I can tell, it's something about how sonograms work up until 12 weeks and what kind of image quality you can get. Google "Texas sonogram bill vaginal" and you'll get all sorts of articles talking about how that's the procedure that will have to be used. Not much on the rationale though.
kinda like a rationale for eugenics, no. anyways, if the fetus were just an unfeeling "patch of cells" that can be scientifically justified as kill-able, what does it matter if you show the mother a said picture of such patch of cells.
How is that an emotional ploy? You're either deliberately trying to be an ******* by trivializing how someone feels (and even worse, WHY they feel that way), or you're an idiot, I really can't tell at this point.
Have you not read the rest of this thread? It has been explained several times over why this mandate is not OK on several levels. (and eugenics, seriously? let's not be so silly as to compare legalized abortion to genocide)
invasive/costs money is about all I can see. well, if you're prepared to get a suction tube inside you to suck out a little "clump of meat" in your womb, I cannot see how this test is invasive in comparison. as for budgetary concerns: somewhat valid. But I never thought I'd see the day that a lot of (who I assume are) neo-Keynesians would b**** and moan about what would amount to an infinitely minuscule expenditure item. guess ideology warps both ways.
LOL. I love the rationale. "Well, you're OK with us sticking the abortmaster 9000 up Your hoo-ha.... so what's the big deal if we stick this other probey thing up your weiner reciever?" Ever stop and think That someone might Not consider something as invasive if they're actually requesting it? or perhaps if it is medically necessary? as opposed to being forced on them? That is some horrid logic that sets an incredibly bad precedent.
Debating the invasive factor is irrelevant. This is about making the patient jump through hoops. Abortions are legal. These procedures are not needed. End of line.
well, your explanation is certainly why China is pursuing the one-child state (a "better world" for current citizens). That's not quite genocide, but one could argue it is femicide due to sex-selective infanticide and the strong Chinese desire for male children. "A better world for everyone who has already made it into the world" is also a trumpeting call for social Darwinism. Now, do not misrepresent my view. Legalized abortion does not equal anything close to genocide. However, the thread of logic you are employing showcases the same self-interest and largely the same rationale as eugenicists would employ.
Alcohol is legal, doesn't mean I don't want people getting carded, or us getting away from strict mandates on drunk driving, and programs that deal with alcohol abuse. I'm all for legalizing drugs, alcohol, and abortions, but speaking as an economist, the government has to work to discourage these activities. I mean come on, can anyone actually claim abortion is a good thing for any of the parties involved? No. Abortion is a very, very grim affair, even if you do not value the fetus. I would like there to be as less as possible of them. People who have good reasons will stick it through. really, is getting a sonogram going to stop you, if you were thinking of getting a vacuum stuck up your p***y to suck out your unborn baby? If you think that's crass, well, that's what it is. I don't see how "educating" people about this is not going to dissuade them from doing it, even if you replace p***y with a nice little euphemism like "private parts" and unborn baby with a nice little euphemism like---"sack of cells that does not feel pain.". That said, I also want to keep funding low-income food/welfare programs---it's not about just giving these children the right to life, it's about giving them the fairest shot at a good life as they can have.
If you want people buying alcohol to get a liver cancer screening and show those results before approved your argument might be valid.
Because drinking a beer and having an abortion would require the same amount of screening. If drinking a beer involved mass trauma, a "sack of cells" some consider sacred dying, and huge financial and emotional costs, and was (hopefully) a once in a life time event, I guess so, yes.
^and no, that is not a call for your wildest drunk-town stories. <iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/5gSF5PUVZfM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> last time I checked too, your brain cells weren't THAT sacred.
"some consider sacred" Who cares what some consider? Millions (billions?) consider cows sacred. My argument holds no matter where you consider human life to begin.
even if you do not value the fetus at all zero percent can you argue with me that abortion is a good thing? I'd argue that the only time there is a "net benefit" is in cases of rape victims, which are given an exception here, if you look at the ruling closely. Otherwise, just the emotional trauma, and the financial and medical costs of such a procedure definitely weigh heavily. you say it is getting people to run through hoops I agree. And I approve. If you're ready for such a life-altering event like this, then you better be 100% sure. That's just thinking about the mother too, not even the fetus.
