http://bbs.clutchfans.net/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=204747 McGrady thread. Tinmac is a leader with 29 posts. A little less than 1/4 of all. Troll is always a a troll
You think Shaq and Ray Allen are better players than Hakeem and Reggie Miller respectively? AND YOU THINK HE IS ON CRACK? Reggie Miller is one of the greatest crunch time performers ever. And Hakeem owned Shaq, he was a much more skilled player and better in pretty much every aspect of the game (post-up game, shooting, freethrow shooting, passing, defense, you name it, Hakeem was superior to Shaq). Oh big whop, Shaq dominated the era of zero centers. Hakeem dominated an era with Ewing, Admiral, young Shaq, Mourning, Deke, etc. Lol. You are funny.
T-Mac was better in his prime. He was a better defender, rebounder, playmaker you can argue ether way with scoring but I'd go with T-Mac.
Ah yes, a peak Hakeem dominated a young Shaq. Definitely enough to define whole careers Reggie Miller is about as clutch as the # of rings he has. You bought into the hype too much and seem to value a couple of highlight performances over all the other years of failure. Do you also worship MSG as the greatest basketball arena of all time too just because every overpaid NY sports clown say so? Get rid of the sheep mentality.
You are a ****ing moron. I can't even argue with you because you lack the ability to argue. You are braindead.
It's unfair to measure an individual players' greatness by team accomplishments. Ray Allen won a title when he was teamed up with Garnett and Pierce. When has Reggie ever had the luxury of being the 3rd best player on the team? And in regards to Shaq/Olajuwon, the numbers/accolades speak for themselves. Shaq has 3 finals MVPs and a regular season MVP. Olajuwon has 2 finals MVPs and a regular season MVP. And he was twice the DPOY. And he's the all-time leader in blocked shots and top 10 in steals. So how exactly was Shaq a better player?
I mean seriously? Hakeem was a far more skilled player than Shaq can ever be. Look at the era which Hakeem dominated and look at the era which Shaq dominated. Look at the things Hakeem could do on the basketball court. Who is the better defender? Hakeem. Who is the better rebounder? Hakeem. Who is the better passer? Hakeem. Who is the better shooter/freethrow shooter? Hakeem. Who has a better post-up game? Hakeem. You are the stupid r****ded sheep for believing that Shaq is better.
tinman is not a troll. He just has a thing with TMac. Oh, and whenever he can't find something substantive to retort, he tries to do something cute to divert attention away from the real issue. My daughter learned that tactic when she was 3 years old. Also, tinman always has the last word in every argument. If you say anything after the last word, that's just the beginning of a new argument.
You're so convincing, with your buzzwords and mindless hero worshiping Let me make this simple for you. Sheep hype aside, do you accept that the guys you seem to deem inferior (Rondo, Allen, Parker, Shaq) have put up great individual playoff performances that were on par, if not better, than some of the best playoff performances by their counterparts (Paul, Reggie, Nash, Hakeem) ? Do you accept that those guys have also hit clutch shots, stopped opposing team's comeback runs, and generally stayed as vital parts of their team's championship journeys, while their counterparts (except for Hakeem obviously) failed in one way or another to pull their team through? So while you can continue to try to define entire careers of athletes you will never understand (and look like an uncultured swine in the process with your vulgar short temper), how about you step back and realize that those dudes won rings for more reasons than just "lol better teammates xD"
If you're trying to measure "entire careers", you have to look beyond championship journey playoff performances....
I have nothing against Tmac, Durant has accomplished more team wise and individual wise than Tmac at such an early age. The Tmac supporters come back with a bunch of random names like Kobe and LeBron etc. Some even say that Tmac was better than Kobe. That there is incorrect like the Rapture . Someone has to be the Macho Man and drop the People's elbow on these false assumptions.
Every one of them is about the topics, Durant vs Tmac and their accomplishments. I've stated why I think Durant is better and Tmac is better at passing....
Coming from the guy whos idea of arguing is calling everybody who disagrees with him, sheeps and hero-worshippers. Okay. Yeah, you are so intelligent. Since we are talking about Allen/Miller and O'Neal/Dream, I am going to stick to discussing it. As far as Allen/Miller and O'Neal/Dream go, sure, Allen/O'Neal have had their outstanding moments in the postseason, not denying it (never did). But if you want to attempt to compare the number of great individual playoff performances of Reggie Miller and Ray Allen, please, be my guest. Dream stood out as the most dominating bigman in an era which had Admiral/Ewing/Mutombo in their prime along with up and comers like O'Neal/Mourning, bigs like KAJ/Moses on the decline. In terms of bigs, the 90s was by far and away the strongest era and it was pretty obvious which one was the most dominant. Sure Allen was key, but so were future HOFers Garnett and Pierce. Along with great youngsters in Rondo/Perkins. Reggie Miller has never been on any team close to being that great. There you go calling me "uncultured." Look in the mirror dickwad, you are the one who started with the name calling, not me. I am just better at it than you are. I am the one who is unable to define entire careers of athletes? You are kidding right? You are the one who defines entire careers by playoff performances and somehow I am the one one who does not understand how to define entire careers? You are braindead, do not even know why I am wasting my time on a r****d like you. I bet you just see Shaq and Allen throw down a couple of dunks and say "soooo awesome, they are the greatest evvaaaa." You are telling me that Ray Allen has a ring and Reggie Miller does not is because Allen was a better player and not because Allen had better teammates? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Allen was the second, third best player on every postseason team he ever played on (Bucks, Celtics). Reggie was the best player on many great teams. You seriously think that the reason Allen has a ring while Reggie does not has nothing to do with the fact that Allen had KG and Pierce? (two sure-fire HOFers). I can't even argue your point, because you have yet to bring up a good point. As far as Hakeem/Shaq goes, look at the '94 Rockets. Hakeem didn't have an All-Star like Kobe/Wade, yet they still dominated and won it all. In an era filled with great bigmen (they beat Patrick Ewing's Knicks in the finals, a team which has one of the greatest defenses of any team in NBA history). Do you seriously think that Shaquille O'Neal is capable of leading a team like that to win it all? No way we can prove either way but I have my doubts. Once again, you have yet to dispute any of my points above about areas of the game in which Hakeem are better than at Shaq.
This game tonight is a great example of what I'm (and other posters) are taking about. Look at LeBron's scoring numbers and low shot total, yet look how he is effecting the outcome of this game. He's pretty much been running the offense, the entire game just about it. Setting players up, hitting the open guys; and channeling defenders away from the other players. Using his court vision very well and keeping the defense on their toes. Durant does not have that ability in his game, it's not really something you can learn, some basketball players have and some don't.
Shaq would've been super dominate, if he didn't play in 90s or 2000s. If he played against the players from early 80s and earlier, no player outside of maybe Wilt and Kareem would stand a chance against him. Maybe Thurmond, but he didn't have that kind of power.
Yeah, when people say TMac's a better passer than Durant, instead of give the guy due credit for something obviously true, you just make a cute statement like: Durant's clearly better than TMac in the passing the first and 2nd round of the playoffs category... twice.
This entire thread is about passing... Kevin Durant SUR-passing Tmac in career accomplishments so fast that's why it was started.
You in 2nd place ? By the way, in 8 years I've never asked HOW do you pull up that "Who Posted?" option? Will give rep, thanks
