I'm going Zeppelin. But my list of favorite all-time artists goes like this: 1a - The Beatles 1b - Led Zeppelin 2 - Everyone else
My opinion is that you can like both in every example you posted. Now, you might have favorites, but saying you can't like/have both seems silly. It's not a draft. I like JP, but Sabbath is the winner there, for me. I'm a bigger fan of Ozzy Sabbath, but Dio Sabbath has it's own qualities, too. Was a bigger Metallica fan than Megadeth, but Rust in Peace is one of my favorite metal albums. I liked Rocky 1 and 2 and maybe a couple of other Stallone movies, but Terminator was just too good. Deniro and Pacino are both awesome and like most of what both have done. Love the Beatles and would give them the nod, but some of the Stones stuff blows some of the beatles stuff out of the water. I don't see why liking one of any of these precludes liking or being a fan of the other.
Ha! It was never really meant to be a "versus" thread. Just thought it was a funny debate that started over a Shiner 24 pack.
Easily two of my top 5 favorite bands. I didn't get into Priest until about two years ago, though, which is strange because I've been a metal-head since about '92. All I knew of Priest were the radio hits: Breaking the Law, Living After Midnight, You got Another Thing Commin, ect. Wasn't and still am not a huge fan of those songs. But, for whatever reason, I never listened to their albums. They have so many amazing songs that are far from radio friendly. Their sound has really evolved over the years as well. Their 70's stuff is amazing. I give them almost as much credit as Black Sabbath for pioneering the metal genre. Songs like Victim of Changes, Sinner, Tyrant, Dissident Agressor, ect. were waaaaay ahead of their time. And I love the different styles of their drummers. From Les Binks to Scott Travis, they've had some good talent. My favorite, though, was actually never an official member of the band. Simon Phillips was their session drummer for Sin After Sin. His work on that album is seriously awesome. They asked him to stay, but he declined, unfortunately. But he went on to drum with The Who for like 4 albums in the late 80's/early 90's. Admittedly, I haven't listened to any of the Tim "Ripper" Owens albums. I just can't consider it Judas Priest w/out Halford. I would rank him as the most irreplaceable rock band member of all time because of his uniquely freakish metal voice. His head voice is ridiculous. If you're new to the band, listen to The Sentinel. Lots of high notes that don't sound like they could possibly come from a human being. I got into Black Sabbath around '92. I saw the episode of Beavis and Butthead where they watched the Iron Man video. "huhuhuh... is that Ozzy's son??? huhuhuhuhuh!!!" I was instantly a fan. I went and got Paranoid the next day. I think I'd have to still rank War Pigs as the quintessential metal song of all time. It's difficult to believe that this song is from the early 70's. Iommi's guitar work is incredible. Love Bill Ward too. Such a unique style. His hihat was like two feet higher than the standard height. Weird to watch. As mentioned before, very different in style between the two bands. Black Sabbath was much more raw while Priest was very tight, fast, and technical. Unfortunate that K.K. Downing just called it quits w/ Priest.
I don't understand how after almost 40 years together you can leave the band for "differences." Hate that he left, but they're on their farewell tour anyways. I'd be surprised if we get another album from them. I agree on The Sentinel. Victim of Changes, The Ripper and Painkiller are a couple more than make me shake my head that he could hit those notes. He hit them on the live albums, too. So no studio magic there. I think he is up there with Freddie Mercury as an irreplaceable singer of their respective bands.
Yeah, that's the weird thing about him leaving. Why not just tough it out and finish the last tour EVER. Like a career accomplishment sort of thing. Oh well. Yes, Painkiller vocals are ridiculous. Agreed on Freddie Mercury being a close second. I'm not too broken up about them not releasing another record. I wasn't overly thrilled with Nostradamus. If they went back to the sound from Angel of Retribution, I'd be a lot more upset. Judas Rising is one of my all-time favorites.
Bill Ward used to play with one gigantic cymbal. Crash cymbal, ride cymbal... it was ALL cymbals. He really beat the **** out of that thing and it's part of the Sabbath sound.
I have never heard of this "debate," and it is stupid. Priest was around in the early 70's, but they didn't really become the JP we know and love until the second half of the decade. Priest and Sabbath are simply two different bands representing different eras of metal, and while of course they can be compared, this idea of one vs. the other is nonsensical. The NWOBHM was and continued to inspire a massive classical influence of technical proficiency with an increased tempo, soaring guitars and vocals, and theatrics that would come to define metal in the 80's. Without Priest, Maiden, Saxon, Diamond Head, etc, there would be no 80's metal. With no 80's metal, we'd have no speed metal (most of which came out in the 80's, anyway). Without Black Sabbath, we'd have none of this. A side note on Dio: his musical career started in the late 50's before he went on to sing with Ritchie Blackmore and Blackmore's post-Deep-Purple Rainbow, just so y'all know. Make no mistake, he was in the mix of 70's metal influence, and deservedly so. I love Bruce as much as any metal head should, but you're missing out on Iron Maiden and Killers, two of the greatest metal albums of all time by anyone, ever. From what I've read, they plan to focus on music as opposed to touring, which they'll continue to do, though far less frequently and for shorter periods of time, mostly because they're getting too old to maintain that kind of schedule. Priest still has the chops, make no mistake. They'll be around.
I wasn't nuts about Nostradamus either. never figured them for the concept album type. First time I heard Judas Rising my fears of Rob's vocals being shot were put to rest in the first minute.
Lynus, make no mistake, I am not discrediting Sabbath in any way. That's like when people say The Beatles are overrated. Never forget where it all came from, I say. Again, this was just a drunk debate made over the weekend. I thought it was as silly as you do. Just thought it would make for a good discussion.
My comments were directed at your bud who said such things; not you. You must now go inform him of his wrong-ness.
Say what you want, I thought my Kiss 8-track collection was pretty damn hip, and then VoodooPope's grandmother's console stereo ate them about 15 years ago. Granted, they were about 20 years old at the time.
and it kinda does....a very silly notion to be sure, but understandable after a case of Shiner I appreciate the chance to talk about an era and genre that I love, Im just glad I was available today to participate. I would contribute more, but Lynus stole all the thunder and said everything I would say at this point. Up the Irons mates
Oh, I do all the time. Like when he says Jimi Hendrix isn't even a top 10 guitarist of all-time. And he says that when he's sober. We've also argued about who the best Beatle was for the last 15 years. It's like a boozing staple. (By the way, if you don't say George or Paul...ugh.)
Thats not silly, that's flat-out stupidity on a catastrophic scale. I'd argue he is on *something* Hmm, not really a huge Beatles fan, but Id have to go with George. Ive always felt Paul's musical sensibilities don't line up with what I appreciate. Anyway, was exchanging links of interest with a friend, and he sent me this link that kinda goes with this thread. For those who didn't really keep up with Sabbath post-Ozzy. Off the totally-wonderful-from-beginning-to-end album Heaven and Hell. <iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/frtJQFe9apw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
