:grin: zooooooom As far as blood doping? I doubt many players use oxygen enriched blood on a consistent basis. But do you really think no one would use it if it were available for a big game? The moral code? Do you think it isn't available? EPO in particular? /shrug
MJ was an absolute beast in the gym - if I'm not mistaken he even lifted on game days after he became injured in his 2nd season. That was when he started working with Grover and he definitely put that muscle weight on gradually over the years. The only thing that concerns me about Dwayne Wade isn't the bulk but that he has put it on pretty quickly since the injury. I suppose it's possible for that to happen if he hadn't ever lifted before but in a little over a year he has completely transformed his physique and I was under the impression he was hitting the weight before. I can't imagine he would all of a sudden make a dramatic fitness leap naturally. I agree with everything here. The whole "basketball players don't need PEDS because it hurts as much as it helps" argument is based on an incorrect stereotype of about what PEDS can offer an athlete. In professional leagues where the difference between winning and losing and talent levels is so slim, even the smallest advantage of having the ability to practice longer is a big advantage over the competition. Yes, the athlete still has to put in the time, but the payoff is much higher on PEDS than without them...
Both. Clearly, many NBA players are on PEDs, mainly steroids and HGH. And yes, clearly anabolic steroids.
Uh more like zoomerang. As said before, Landis is the exception that proves the rule, his drug of choice, like all other cyclists, was EPO which he used repeatedly, he just got caught for steroids that he used sparingly in comparison to the EPO. You were implying that cycling was an endurance sport, like the NBA, and that it was riven with steroid/HGH abuse. But it's not, it's riven with blood doping scandals. Dragging 20 extra LBs of muscle up the Alps doesn't hellp you. This is common knowledge. Now you're saying that the NBA is not like cycling...so why are you even bringing up cyclign in the first place?
lol, if it can be used to recover from injury, which you admit, any sport practitioner would have an advantage at using it. even curling.
Right..so with that in mind, how many Olympic curlers, archers, or marathon runners test positive for steroids & HGH as compared to Olympic weightlifters and shotputters? Mind you - they face the exact same testing regime.
People need to realize that with the kind of money that's on stake for players, it would be downright stupid NOT to do everything they can to get the next contract, make the all star game and get more endorsements etc.
So the only 3 people who took steroids or GH were weightlifters or sprinters - people from the power sports. As I suspected.
I guess Durant does it like it's going out of style then. He probably has a whole stash in his backpack.
Or in curling or archery too, right? or is the cost/benefit ratio of using Steroids in those sports different due to the nature of the sport?
Wade's transformation can be due to two things. One, he started lifting and usually didnt. And two, he lifted using several muscles, rather than sticking to the beach muscle workout where men do simple movements like an arm curl...Grover likes to train the body as a whole, he'll have you doing different things that require a lot of stability, strength and explosion. As a result, the stress of it all really hits muscles completely and forcefully, rather than the main one or two in an arm curl or extension. Normally a player will start lifting early, then maybe years later discover more full body training, in this case Wade may have been introduced to both in a short period, which means he'll get quicker gains.
SamFisher's argument for why for NBA players don't take peds/hgh. Stronger, faster, more endurance, and faster injury recovery.
Which is basically the same argumetn that you have why people in Curling don't take them. And betw, the argumetn about steroids giving you more endurance is manifestly false. If you don't believe me, try to run up and down a court with a 30 lb weight, and try it without it - what makes you more tired? Anyhow, why don't you just answer my last question instead of taking your (hopefully non- steroid-shriveled) ball and going home: Why do positive steroid-HGH tests in the OLY games, in which all athletes face the same level of testing, tend to disproportionately come from power sports, rather than endurance sports (and for that matter, how many basketball players are on that list? Last time i checked it was a sport in the Olympics). Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.
quick answer: You can continue to practice more, you will be better than the guy who can't. you're in agreement with this? (taking that as a yes, since you're now off the air.) that doesn't mean you need to be taking peds/hgh as close to the window of the competition in the other sports. powerlifting/running will have a greater dropoff in performance improvement (less about skill, more about pure phyiscal nature). The window is closer, causing a greater rate of detection. and i'll repeat (2nd comment i made in this thread) not all peds/hgh are detectable.
I can't help it, there is someone wrong on the internet!!!... this is my last comment to him. EPO is a PED. Are you now saying it doesn't help endurance? Cyclists take it to reduce their endurance?
So it's less beneficiall to use steroids & HGH in certain sports becuase raw, weight-lifiting power isn't as important? I agree. And basketball is one of them in which the cost benefit ratio is much less favorable than in, say weightlifting or the NFL. So wait, now you're worried about the scourge of EPO in the NBA? I asked you point blank earlier and you said this:
