I think we can make a competitive offer, unlike the Carmelo/Dwight sweepstakes. Is Granger really worth #2 AND Beasley as opposed to getting Martin + #14 for just the #2? I'm not so sure.
and why would we have to beat that? No signs that the pacers are giving that up...they just made the playoffs... and passed on trading granger better players from last year and dead line deals that would have got them say a favors or johnson and picks... I think its pretty evident that they are not trading him I am pretty sure we made a compeitive run at granger and got turned a way...question is if your the pacers and you have george. Would you deal granger for scola or martin?
I disagree...Beasley is an offensive machine, and whether or not if D. Williams can play SF remains to be seen but he has all the potential to surpass Granger.
I don't see it. Granger is better than Martin, but not by much. Expanding that further: Granger plays SF, the same position as both Beasley and Wesley Johnson. Trading Beasley + #2 for Granger still leaves Minnesota with a SF masquerading as a SG. Indiana has given no indications that they are even willing to move Granger, let alone for a draft pick. Bird seems intent on building on the core, not taking away the biggest piece from it and starting over through the draft. Beasley holds more value than a throw-in on a #2 pick type deal. You're talking about a guy who was close to 20 PPG for them this year; they're not giving him away with the #2 pick for a guy who doesn't even address the one hole in the lineup they have, SG.
From Random Trade Ideas <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/53823273@N02/5733754397/" title="ScreenHunter_02 May. 18, 2011 12.04 by cc952006, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3542/5733754397_1d4747cc89.jpg" width="500" height="295" alt="ScreenHunter_02 May. 18, 2011 12.04"></a> Just having fun with the trade machine. More detailed summary in spoiler. Spoiler Milwaukee loses Andrew Bogut, who was having a bad year compared to the year before. But in return, they get a good value in Scola, who can work the post. Also opens up more minutes for Larry Sanders. They also get Wes Johnson. Yes, Maggette is an efficient scorer, but Wes Johnson's upside is enormous. Maggette could play SG anyway. Not a bad haul for Milwaukee in my opinion. Certainly not the best they could get for Bogut, but a good low post vet, and a young SF with a sky high ceiling. The draft machine doesn't account for draft picks, but in this scenario they also get #14 from the Rockets. Minnesota gets Kevin Martin, who fills a gaping hole in their roster. Also get a young F/C in Jordan Hill. Houston gets a franchise center, a damn good one too. We get a talented SF in Webster, but does he have lingering injuries? To make the trade work, we get Lazar Hayward from the T'wolves too. Could be a decent bench player here. We also get the #2 pick from Minnesota. In short, Milwaukee trades Andrew Bogut and gets back Luis Scola, Wes Johnson, and the 14th pick from the Rockets. Minnesota trades the #2 pick and gets Kevin Martin and Jordan Hill. Houston trades Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and Jordan Hill. They get back Andrew Bogut, Martell Webster, Lazar Hayward, and the #2 pick. I need BimaThug or another capologist to approve this trade proposal. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just because you have the #2 pick doesn't mean you have to keep it. You could pick Derrick Williams, Brandon Knight, Enes Kanter, Jan Vesely, etc. and use them as trade bait or keep them. You could also trade back a few spots and get more players or picks in return and still have a top 7-8 pick.
Minnesota could use an upgrade at the 2, Beasley clearly needs to be moved, Rockets have 3 picks in the first 38 to offer... A trade up makes a lot of sense, #14, #23, and #38 + Martin and another piece (Hopefully Hill). A third team clearly needs to be involved, but it certainly isn't outside the realm of possibility.
I'm all for getting the number two pick, but I wonder about Kanter, how well will his game translate? I've never seen him play, but he had excellent stats in a U18 tournament. I'd hate to draft a player so high and have him amount to nothing.
You mean like Kwame Brown, or Michael Olajukandi, or Darko Millicic, or several other high profile busts? Nature of the beast my man.....no risk, no reward. DD
Why in the world do so many people want to trade for Rubio? He is one of, if not even the worst point guard in the Euroleague. What is with the strange fascination with such a terrible player as Rubio amongst the Rockets fan base?
Not exactly. In addition to the other pieces, Minnesota is also trading the #2 -and- Wesley Johnson as well. You know, their top five pick from last year's draft. #2 pick + Johnson + Webster + Hayward all for Kevin Martin + Jordan Hill C'mon now, if you're Minnesota would you really do that? I like your creativity, though.
Was it Morey who drafted those guys? Or was it RC Buford? Presti? If it were a random number generator who picked the players in the draft, then I would agree that even as high as the #2 pick comes with the type of risk that you are insinuating. Thankfully, real life isn't as cut and dry. Thankfully, if it were one of the handful of expertly ran organizations in the league who got ahold of a top pick, it becomes much less risk and much more reward. It becomes an asset you would gladly part with a fine proven player such as Martin for. An asset that you wouldn't think twice to give up a bit player like Budinger for, NO MATTER the circumstance of the team. Thankfully, the Rockets are one of those teams, which is why they should spare little expense in an effort to get their hands on it.
Seriously? Why in the world would this help them? They already have Kevin love at PF, they dont need Luis Scola. Also giving up Ricky Rubio, plus Kyrie Irving(if he goes second), would ruin their PG position. They don't get any help through this. Not a chance
Eurotroll again...yawn. At least you're right about something for once, Rubio is trash. But sadly you are mistaken that Rox fans are all about Rubio. Pretty sure there was a Rubio for Lowry thread a while back and almost everyone agreed he's terrible. And only two people in this thread have mentioned his name lol.
Sam Presti used a #5 on the rather "meh" and he only got Durant because Oden was drafted by the well-run Blazers. Joe Dumars, too, is pretty well-respected and he got Darko. Also, I believe that the owner of the Grizz implied in an interview that the drafting of Thabeet was partially based on advice from his buddy Jerry West. You are right, having good talent valuation helps, but there is still substantial risk-- and I think Morey knows that he is no miracle worker. In particular, if a draft just doesn't have star-level talent, there's nothing anyone can do to draft a star no matter how good they are at drafting.
The more I think about it the more I Like the idea. If we move Martin for Kanter or Williams, or whoever DM thinks is the bpa at #2 it is the fastest way other than Dwight to being in contention. The team would suffer a bit next year through growing pains and we would probably end up with a good pick in a loaded draft. Two smart early selections can turn a franchise around quick look at OKC.
rockets should figure out some way to move t-will to minny, so he can continue ricky davis's legacy of playing for personal stats, instead of wins.
