i trust biyombo will be best defensive center in all those players.we need defensive center player,we all know that
How do you know he does not watch Euro basketball? An awefull lot of assumption from you. Besides it has become painfully obvious that you base all of your oppinions about NBA ball off of ESPN and YouTube Highlights? Never mind. Your not here for a serious discussion.
I watch the NBA and the Euroleague. He only watches the NBA. The way I KNOW that for a fact is that he claims the NBA is more physical than the Euroleague. The Euroleague is the physical equivalent of 90s NBA playoff basketball. Therefore, he obviously does not watch the Euroleague. As for Biyombo, Motiejunas, Valanciunas being "centers", Biyombo and Motiejunas are power forwards, not centers. Motiejunas plays power forward in Italian League and Eurocup. Biyombo played power forward when he was in the Spanish League. Neither one of them is a center. Valanciunas plays center on his team Rytas, but he is more of a PF to be honest about it. He is a 4/5, but would be more suited to the PF position. None of those three players is a true center. So everyone that thinks they are centers has the wrong idea about them.
No one thought Chuck 6'6'' was a center either. Really... you should watch more NBA before trying to suggest who can and can not make it in the league and what position they might play.
There are plenty of great centers in the NBA who do not have great height. Ben Wallace and Nene are two examples of that. What matters most is length, athleticism and the strength to hold your position. Biyombo seems to have those qualities. If he's really eighteen, then he has plenty of time to further grow into his body. I see no reason why he couldn't play center as he adds more weight to his frame.
Hayes is 6-7 in shoes (how NBA lists "real" height). Perhaps you need to increase your NBA knowledge.
Me, Dave2000, and Francisfan3 all sat next to Chuck at a buffalo wild wings one time, and he is nowhere near 6'6''. He looked more like 6'4'' or a generous 6'5''. We also stood next to him at the Rockets playday and again, he is 6'5'' at the most. It makes it even more amazing that he can defend giants on a nightly basis at his size. The only way he would be 6'7'' in shoes is if he wore like 3 pairs of socks and extra thick shoes.
Your wrong. The NBA lists him as 6'6". Once again your lack of knowledge shines through. Time for you to now stop posting about anything NBA since you have once again proven that you do not have a clue about the league. BTW, just so you will not embarrass yourself.... the ball is round. Good luck in future debates because you lost this one. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/chuck_hayes/ Code: Born: Jun 11, 1983 [b]Height: 6-6[/b] / 1.98 Weight: 238 lbs. / 108.0 kg. College: Kentucky Years Pro: 5
Chuck was measured 6' 6.75" in shoes prior to being drafted. So, yeah, by NBA standards, he should be listed as 6' 7.
Not sure I would use the word "great" to describe Nene, and Ben Wallace, but I understand your point. However, its not like the NBA has historically followed the framework of all other basketball leagues in the world historically. Throughout YMCA, high school, most college programs, Euroleague, international play, CBA, etc. the common way to play is 1 PG, 2 Wings, and 2 Post players at least on defense. The NBA became abnormal to the game with a few oversized post players like Wilt Chamberlain changing the basic principle of the game and causing a domino effect on opposing teams trying to match size to play against one unique player that comes in the league once a decade like Wilt. The current NBA landscape has changed back to the way the game has always been played. Now teams are able to play two true post players rather than having one guy that is big enough to guard Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem, or Shaq one on one. If you have matchup problems with an extremely large/tall Center, it creates the need to doubleteam and gives an advantage. In the current NBA there is really only a handful of teams that have an advantage due to an oversized post player like Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum. Even then, the opposing team still might have advantages by overwhelming the taller player with better skill and execution. So do the Rockets need an oversized Center... of course they do, but this should never be the primary focus of any draft pick unless the player is good enough to warrant that pick. So with that being said, look at the current players on the draft board and see who can bang in the Post with the likes of an Al Horford, Nene, or Joakim Noah. That is where the league is going, and that is what you "need." Two post players who can defend the post, rebound, and rotate effectively on defense. In other words Nene is as much a center as Kenyon Martin, and Al Horford is as much a center as Josh Smith. They just tend to guard the bigger post player on the opposing team. With the Rockets, the "center" Chuck Hayes typically guarded the PF on the opposing team... so is he a Center or PF...??.. neither, he is a post player. From what I have seen of these prospects Biyombo is a true post player by nature. despite his size at 6'9", he might be the best true post defender in the draft. Motiejunas is 7ft, but naturally plays like a Wing, therefore I have to classify him as a wing who occasionally finds his way in the post. In the future maybe he can develop in the post like Dirk and Pau Gasol, but for now he is a far cry from a true NBA post player. Just remember that the Rockets will not draft on need, but they will draft on fit. My guess is that Biyombo ranks pretty high on the Rockets board, but like all the moves the Rockets ever make whether it be draft, trades, free agency, coaches, etc... they will always keep you guessing, and at the end of the day it sort of makes sense. Thats one of the reasons why I find them to be one of the most intriguing teams in pro sports.
I thought you didn't trust draftnet and draftexpress? I thought the "NBA adds 2 inches to players on draft night." I thought you knew more about nba ball and international ball than anyone on this board? 1st you don't trust draft sites, now they're "official draft measurements........"
What I actually believe is irrelevant. You claimed the NBA had Chuck listed as 6’7” and I said they had him at 6’6”. I merely posted what the NBA has listed. You clearly have no clue how to check your facts.
THIS. You know, there was a time when I would click on this BBS Forum, see that this thread had new posts and be EXCITED to see what was written. Lately, I have approached this thread with caution, hoping not to see what I inevitably continued to see. More crappy and pointless arguments with OHMSS. Now, I just hate myself whenever I click on this thread. PLEASE LET THIS THREAD DIE. Someone please either start or bump another thread so we can leave this mess behind us all.
My current draft board: Centers: #1 Kanter, #2 Biyombo, #3 Nogueira, #4 Jordan Williams SF: #1 Leonard, #2 Singleton, #3 Jereme Richmond PG/SG: #1 R. Jackson, #2 J. Selby, #3 D. Morris, #4 Malcolm Lee This will be narrowed down as the days go by, but this is what i have so far. What do you all think?
I like your list, but I don't think you should limited to players that in our draft pick range, because some crazy thing can happen on draft night... Rudy Gay was projected #3 dropped to 8th, Brook Lopez was projected top 4 and dropped to 10th... so with that said. Here's my top 5 at each position (as of right now) PG: #1 Kyrie Irving, #2 Kemba Walker, #3 Brandon Knight, #4 Josh Selby, #5 Reggie Jackson. SG: #1 Alec Burks, #2 Klay Thompson, #3 Travis Leslie, #4 Scotty Hopson, #5 Marshon Brooks SF: # 1 Jan Vesely, #2 Kahwi Leonard, #3 Jordan Hamilton, #4 Tyler Honeycutt, #5 Chris Singleton PF: #1 Derrick Williams, #2 Donatas Motiejunas, #3 Tristan Thompson, #4 Trey Thompkins, #5 Marcus Morris C: #1 Enes Kanter, #2 Bismack Biyombo, #3 Jonas Valanciunas, #4 Lucas Nogueira, #5 Nikola Vucevic (# Sleepers)
