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[ClutchFans] Houston Rockets Salary Cap Update (Updated: 3/2/2011)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BimaThug, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. HMMMHMM

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    Damn.
    I was just assuming you could clear cap space that way.
    I had limited internet access until the end of 06, so I didn't really pay attention the last time around.

    Thanks for correcting me. :eek:
     
  2. Easy

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    Any softness of the cap and any amnesty provision will generally benefit the dumb teams more than the smart teams.

    The more restrictions, the more a smart assets manager like Morey would beat out the competition in the long run.
     
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  3. BimaThug

    BimaThug Resident Capologist
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    HMMMHMM, even if the amnesty rule did allow for salary cap (as opposed to just luxury tax) relief, I don't know how much room the Rockets would be left with after resigning one or both of Yao and Chuck, both of whom I'd imagine the team wants to retain.

    Nene (my #1 free agent choice) will command a boatload of money to leave Denver, and I'm not sure the Rockets would bit on his contract demands.

    I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that the Rockets will pry Marc Gasol (love him) from Memphis or DeAndre Jordan (eh, not so much) from the Clippers, since both of those clubs have gone on record as saying they will match any offers for those guys in restricted free agency.

    Dalembert, I could see. But I'd frankly rather not waste a significant amount of cap room on him when the team could conceivably go in to 2012 with a ton of cap room if they don't make any major signings this summer. Just go to war with Chuck, Yao, Miller, Thabeet and Hill at the center spot (that's a lot of centers right there) and try to grind out a playoff appearance if possible (or, if not, get another lottery pick). THEN go make your free agent splash.

    Of course, my preferred strategy could completely change depending on (a) any draft day trades the Rockets make; (b) the new CBA; and (c) what free-agents-to-be end up getting contract extensions next year.
     
  4. JoeBarelyCares

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    And/or trade for Kaman, who will be an expiring contract. Maybe the Clips would deal him on draft day to help send a message to DeAndre (and other clubs that might consider making a tender) that they are all in with him.
     
  5. JoeBarelyCares

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    If this passes, it will be referred to as the "Gilbert Arenas rule."
     
  6. BimaThug

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    If anything, I'd think the Clippers would want to hold onto Kaman UNTIL they are able to re-sign Jordan. With DeAndre being a restricted free agent, the team doesn't have to send any messages to him. Hell, they don't even have to talk to him at all! Just wait for him to sign an offer sheet, then match it. Easy.

    Hahaha. He'll be the first player to ever have two rules named after him.

    (NOT-SO-FUN FACT: The "Allan Houston rule"--the popular name for the amnesty provision in the last CBA--strangely enough, never actually involved Allan Houston. Rather than waiving Houston to avoid paying luxury tax on his then-monstrous contract, the Knicks opted to waive Jerome "Junk Yard Dog" Williams using the amnesty provision. I believe Williams had more years left on his deal than Houston, so the total dollars saved was a little more by doing it that way.)
     
  7. Dreamin

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    If we could free up Miller and Thabeet we would save another $10 mill plus. Using them as fillers when trading the likes of TWilll and Hill is our best hope for getting rid of them.
     
  8. BimaThug

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    Actually, our BEST hope for getting rid of them is to just wait it out next season and allow their contracts to (basically) expire. Why get less value in trades just to get rid of them when they are expiring anyway, especially when the Rockets will not likely be able to use a significant amount of cap room next season?
     
  9. Pat

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    I don't think this would be to help dumb or smart teams but rather to keep the over the cap and aging fast Lakers relevant through the last of Kobe's career. Let's face it, Dick Bavetta can only do so much for them by himself.
     
  10. danoman

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    trade hill keep hayes and yao...let yao and hasheem go at it in practice so hasheem can develop, problem solved;)
     
  11. HMMMHMM

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    Small CBA update: (read from bottom to top)
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    So it turns out that by using the amnesty clause teams could indeed free up cap space, so while the Rockets very well might not use it - they certainly could if they needed to free up a couple millions to get a free agent they want.

    Personally, I hate the idea of an amnesty clause, let alone a recurring one. Like Easy said, those rules benefit the poorly run teams.

    Not a fan of more draft picks for losing teams either.
    Why should losing get rewarded even more so than it does now?
     
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  12. Clutch

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    HMMMHMM -- I apologize I haven't been keeping up with the negotiations, but what is this proposal -- "bad teams could get an extra first round pick/good teams lose one"? Geez, as if tanking wasn't a sweet enough proposition as is.
     
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    Amnesty is something I have claimed is inevitable, and the Rox best chance to make leap forward.

    Only Brad Miller seems X-able from Rox IMHO.

    But, picks for being bad? That sounds very bad to me.
     
  14. HMMMHMM

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    http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18825

    I normally don't read hoopsworld, so this had to be reported by some other media outlet as well, because I remember reading it somewhere. (I believe by Sam Amick or Zach Lowe, maybe Marc Stein, but I haven't been able to find it).
     
  15. Carl Herrera

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    Increasing the incentive for tanking is r****ded and will only decrease the quality of play.
     
  16. anchel

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    ^^

    Don't believe it.
     
  17. saleem

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    Bima is spot on with the salary situation,but losing Battier wasn't big by any means. He was gradually declining on a team without a center,but the die hards refused to see it. He only did better in Memphis,because they had quality bigs.
    His leadership,though important was not at par with Chuck's and Lowry's toughness.

    Some people were dreading that we would collapse without him. The team got better,after he left because the rest of them had to pick up the slack. Brooks wasn't a loss despite his talent since his performance was nearly atrocious.
     
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    Leads to a random trade idea:

    Scola + pick 14 + pick 23 to Sacramento for pick 7

    Draft Kawhi Leonard at 7 to fill our SF need.

    Finally, by waiving Miller under amnesty (saves $4.7 million next year in space), plus dumping Scola's contract (saves $8.5 million next year in space), we free up gobs of money to sign Gasol. If Memphis matches, sign Dalembert, Hayes and Yao as Plan B. But maybe Memphis can't match, because it will lead to them being over the hard cap when it is completely phased in.
     
  19. leebigez

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    Any scenerio involving yao coming back just doesn't make sense to me. Really,as much as I like hayes,it doesn't really make sense to bring him back for what he deserves. The rockets need to move forward and build starting quality talent on the roster. Hayes is a 20 minute bench player on a good team. I think he played well enough to get paid 4-5m, but get the other guys set before getting or resigning a guy like hayes.

    The whole thing about the perception of benefitting dumb teams v smart teams,all of the uper echelon teams are pretty well managed. Those teams have legit superstars which make everyone look smart for either drafting them or signing those same people. The rokets don't have any bad contracts per se,but they don't have any stars either. The amnesty rule probably won't improve that either.
     
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    Commissioner Stern is no fan of tanking. I don't think this will ever happen on his watch.
     

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