If we can find a trade that involves us getting rid of Brad Miller I think our chances of competing sky rocket
Houston trades: Kevin Martin To Orlando Luis Scola To Atlanta Terrence Williams To Atlanta Atlanta trades: Josh Smith to Orlando Orlando trades: Dwight Howard to Houston Ryan Anderson to Atlanta Future 1st pick to Houston Why Orlando would do this: Either they lose Howard for Bynum and change or they can get a package that doesn't feature an immature and injury-prone center. Martin fills in immediately at the SG spot, Smith goes in and fills in the PF spot (with Bass starting at center). They lose a lot of size in but the team is now more balanced all around. Getting two quasi All-Stars in return for Howard is not a bad haul IMO. Why Atlanta would do this: Their apparent "need" to move Smith is accomplished and, in return, they get a power forward who can replace Smith's points and rebounds. Ryan Anderson would be a serviceable bench player and Williams can be a back up for Marvin Williams if he can get off the NBA bench. Houston: I think the reasoning is obvious. Giving up both Martin AND Scola might be too much for most to stomach on here but getting a legit big man means you have to give something to get something. The starting five of: Dwight Howard Patrick Patterson Chase Budinger Courtney Lee Kyle Lowry Would be ridiculously young but it helps out in the future. The following is based on the assumption that the new CBA keeps everything the same from the last CBA. Of course, that's NOT going to happen but since I'm not BimaThug, I don't have enough insight on what's going to happen so the current CBA will have to do. And subtracting Terrence Williams is your typical "addition by subtraction" move. Split the MLE between: 1. Bringing Carl Landry back. Unless New Orleans plan on re-signing Landry for an ungodly sum of money, I think bringing Landry back as the 6th man would be a wise investment. He can score, brings energy, and we know what we can get from him and 2. Signing Shannon Brown. He's not a splash-signing but he'll be another athletic-with-a-decent-3-pt-shot player almost in the same mold like Lee. He's also young and can add depth to the back court 3. Picking up Dragic's team option. No brainer. 4. Part ways with Hayes. I hate to do this but, with Howard coming in and the Rockets having THREE back up centers on the bench, Hayes is the odd man out. Unless there's some team that is willing to trade for Miller, Thabeet, or Hill, Hayes is out of the picture. Howard/Brad Miller/Hill Patrick Patterson/Carl Landry Chase Budinger/2011 Draft Pick Courtney Lee/Shannon Brown Kyle Lowry/Goran Dragic If Lowry picks up where he left off this past season, he could be viewed as potential trade bait for Howard's buddy Chris Paul.
Houston trades: Luis Scola, Courtney Lee/Terrence Williams(whoever Suns prefer), Brad Miller, Rights to whom selected with 14th & 23rd pick Phoenix trades: Marcin Gortat, Josh Childress Might have to throw in some others like Earl Clark marcus Cousin cash considerations etc. but eh its still a reach. Phoenix fans whine and gripe about the PF position like we do for center so they get a good one in Scola, and they move away Josh Childress's nasty contract. Josh could be some actual use to us either being backup or maybe starter. Phoenix still has Lopez, Frye, and Miller to fill the center. Phoenix is probably gonna waive Carter, and maybe they'd resign Hill, but only time will tell. Jared Dudley averaged about 16 pts, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, and 2 steals as a starter so i think he'll get the job next year, and maybe Courtney Lee could fill in the other spot it would give the Suns a Chance at the playoffs next year. Btw apoligize for my grammar I am a rookie lol.
Miller+Scola+Hill+Budinger+#23 for Andre Iguadola and Marreese Speights (plus some filler if needed) They take a lump in bringing on Miller but after this year his contract becomes a semi-asset. They get a decent scoring PF who can be a mentor and leader. Also a young Jordan Hill who may pan out and a rotation caliber player in Budinger. IMO Budinger would go well with Holiday, Young and Turner. Plus they get the 23rd pick for their troubles. If the Rockets want to attract a Dwight Howard or a Chris Paul type they need to have a championship type of roster. Those guys are going to want to compete with the Heat over the next few years. Thats why the Rockets bring on AI (and most likely extend the contract down the line. Speights is tall and athletic but I don't remember him actually being a good defender, so he may just be a big to come in when needed. I really think that adding AI and a center (better than Speights) could propel us to contend in the west. I think it will be really wide open next year. AI is a great defender, athlete and will hit the clutch jumper. As well he gets a lot of assists and rebounds. Dalembert/Speights/Hayes Patterson/Hayes Iguadola/Wordapp Martin/Lee Lowry/Dragic Is pretty balanced and really could be great defensively. You could even see getting rid of Wordapp and then getting a scoring sf to backup Iggy (wish we could keep Bud in the deal but I doubt it) I think that roster would win 50+ games in the west next year and would be prime for some great player looking to find a team to compete with Miami amd OKC.
Philadelphia would not do that deal when they're paying Brand close to $40M to play the same position as Scola for the next two years. A bit more realistic than other trade proposals, but I still don't think the Suns do it. The Suns are in a transition period -- they are going to be rebuilding very soon. Taking on Scola does not help their cause, especially with his contract. I think this is unrealistic, but not necessarily because of the value being exchanged. Dwight Howard will be able to name the place he plays for; the talent surrounding him in Houston after that trade is not much different from what he had in Orlando. That team couldn't contend right away and Howard would be wasting more years of his prime waiting for the GM to infuse more talent into the team to help. In other words, I think he'd prefer to team up with another star or at the least a team he can contend for titles with right away. You talked about the Lakers, but don't forget about the Nets being able to offer Brook Lopez or the Thunder as a dark horse offering Russel Westbrook. Also, you're really undervaluing the contract that both Landry and Shannon Brown will get. You will not be able to split the MLE; you'll have to spend the majority of the MLE just to sign one of them.
Look at what Gerald Wallace fetched, not much. Iggy is similar caliber player but paid much more. Scola can be sent to a third team, he has value. Milwaukee managed to pick up 3 bad contracts (Gooden, Bad p*rn and Salmons) in one offseason. They will have to make some sort of cost cutting moves eventually. I could see some variations both happening.
I don't think OKC is going to trade Westbrook, because he and Durant are the core of this team. Don't forget they already traded for a big guy, named Perkins. Perkins and Howard in the middle would be scary, but I don't see it happen. The Nets and Lakers are the two top candidates to get Howard, I agree with you on that one.
I don't compute this at all. To play him or not to play him can be a question but whether he is on the team or not doesn't make a difference. And sky rocketing?
LTF- You are probably right, but I guess I was envisioning a scenario where Brand plays some center in alongside Scola in the rotation. Hawes/Brand/Scola is a solid 3 man core. Brand still gets some blocked shots and can play D as a solid level. Absolutely expensive but they have a lot depth in their back court on the cheap. However, I would love to be able to retain Scola and acquire AI if possible because I think they could work well together. Scola may not look so bad defensively if he had Dalembert, AI and Lowry on prowl. Hill+Williams+Budinger+Miller+#14+#23 for AI.
I was just listening to the Bill Simmons podcast, and he put forth the idea that the Rockets could be a good trading partner with the Lakers for Bynum. He put out the idea of the Rockets giving up Lowry, Patterson, Buddingher and possibly a pick or something in return for Bynum. On one side I don't like the idea of picking up Bynum -- I think he could be a 20/10 player right away, but I also think he will probably miss 10-20 games a season...at least. To give up Lowry and a bunch of other pieces from someone who may not even be in uniform is a tough pill to swallow, and I just don't think the Rockets should go there. On the other hand, if the Rockets get Bynum and he comes out playing awesome at the beginning of the season, then all of a sudden the Rockets are in the best position for acquiring Howard. Overall, I say no. But choices such as these are a reminder of why it is so difficult to be a GM.
The only way you move Lowry in this type of a deal is if you got Rubio or Paul coming in the front door. So, bringing in Bynum would have to be for something along the lines of Lowry/Scola/Miller with no picks. Patterson becomes our 4, Bynum the 5, with Rubio/Martin backcourt, and a pick to get a small forward or sign Kirilenko in free agency. The deal the Lakers should pursue is Brand and Iggy for Bynum or Gasol and other parts like Walton. They run Iggy out at point guard alongside Kobe and Artest and then they've got whoever is left of Bynum/Gasol plus Brand and Odom at the big spots. That puts them back at championship level immediately. And Philly drops a boatload of salary and gets a legit big man to add to their team.
I don't know jopat -- point guards are easier to replace than big men are. Bynum, if given consistent touches, would easily be a top three center. He doesn't get featured enough in LA's offense with Kobe, Pau and Odom. I think if you can get past his injury woes, you might have to pull the trigger on that deal. Dragic can handle PG duties.. Chuck Hayes cannot handle C duty.
Thing is, can Bynum handle the "stay healthy" duty (no doubt about talent or position need/harder to get a top C then a top PG)??? PeAcE
Alright, I'm going to throw this on the stoop and see if the cat licks it up: I agree with LongTimeFan's take on selling high for Kevin Martin. And, though everyone says this draft is week, there are a couple of players that I think could become foundational pieces. So, here are a couple moves for the reorganization, rebuilding, but not tanking of this roster. 1) Trade Martin to Utah for their 6th and 12th picks I think Utah wants to go for the playoffs next season, and their most gaping whole is the 2 guard. Besides that they have a pretty solid roster. Also, there are no 2 guards in the top of this draft. So, I think the Rockets can get a lot from Utah for Martin. Also, Houston will have to take the corpse of Okur's expiring contract and may have to send the Orlando pick or something similar back to Utah. 2) Terrence Williams, Jordan Hill and Thabeet and the 14th pick to Detroit for the 7th pick and the horrible contract of Ben Gordon. The Rockets are basically sending expiring contracts to Detroit and taking on Ben Gordon's huge deal (which Dumars certainly regrets doing) and are being paid the 7th pick to do it. The Clippers paid the 8th pick to Cleveland to take on Baron Davis, so I think this is market value. Also, along with the 7th pick, the Rockets get a player who can score 20 per game in Ben Gordon and who can replace the scoring numbers that Martin put up If you look at his splits the last two years, his numbers when he gets 30 minutes a game are actually really good. The Rockets would then have the 6th, 7th and 12th picks in the first round. And with the 6th and 7th picks the Rockets can take Vessely and Biyombo -- two players who have both had their motors and intensity compared to people like Garnett and Joakim Noah. Rotation: C-Hayes, Biyombo, Yao(?) PF-Scola, Patterson SF-Vessely, Buddingher SG-Gordon, Lee PG-Lowry, Dragic. Plus Morey would have the expiring contracts of Okur and Miller as well as the 12th and 38th picks to play with. Honestly, I think this team could (not would, just could) make the Playoffs as they make the leap forward -- no tanking necessary. And imagine that frontcourt of the future: Biyombo, Vessely and Patterson. This team would also be a lot of fun to watch.
Your Detroit trade is interesting. I'd be more interested if it was Hamilton instead of Gordon. Don't think Utah would do your first deal.
Why all 3 teams do this trade: Orlando gets a good haul for Dwight. They get an all star forward with Chris Bosh, a potential star with T Will, and plenty of young potential with Hasheem and Jordan. They give up their best big, but get 3 in return plus a point forward. They also get rid of Hedo's contract. Yes, Orlando could simply trade Dwight and Hedo to the Lakers for Bynum and Odom straight up, but I would think they would get more potential, mixed with cheaper contracts doing this trade instead. Miami gets rid of Chris Bosh, who has been pretty inconsistent this year. They get a real low post player, and hard worker in Luis Scola, and they get Hedo. With Wade and Lebron left, at least 1 of them should be on the floor at all times. When Lebron is on the bench, they can have D Wade, Scola, and Hedo and the floor together to spread the floor and create space for all 3 of them to work. I think Miami would be a better team with a trade like this. The Rockets do this to get Dwight, plain and simple. You're giving up your starting Power Forward, but you finally get a center. Patrick Patterson or Chuck can start at the 4, whichever the new coach decides. And all you really lose other than Luis is a rotation player in Jordan Hill. After this trade we have Dwight, Chuck, Patterson, Brad Miller (lol), and probably Yao playing limited minutes. Hopefully we have Biyombo too :grin: Thoughts? Maybe the Heat don't want Hedo's contract, or maybe the Magic want 2 all stars in return? Those are possible scenarios too, but this is just an example of what I think could get Dwight this summer.
There is quite a few reasons why all three teams would not do this, obviously its a steal for Houston, but thats why your a Rockets fan right. Here you go- -Miami- No way they do this for the sake of capspace. They would have to take on an extra 3 or 4 million dollars and they do not upgrade their roster. Even if you got Miami to somehow throw in Mike Miller to make it work financially Mike Miller for Turkaglu... no significant upgrade, and Bosh for Scola... Def. negative in talent. As much as we love Scola, he doesn't have the talent and abilities of Bosh. -Orlando- Three project players with raw/high upside but bad trade value because of the "bust" factor... No thank you. Chris Bosh is nice but Orlando is better off trading Howard to LA for Bynum straight up. Or they would be better off pulling a Utah and trading him to a team for a bunch of draft picks to a team like Golden State this summer. Someone deserate enough to take a gamble. However, i doubt Howard makes any notion that he wants to be moved, because he knows the moment he does, Orlando has the upperhand to trade him where he doesn't want to go. Houston, if they want to be a player for Dwight are just going to have to sit and wait it out till free agency, or the trade deadline and maybe Houston makes the list of teams Howard would want to go to. This trade however, makes sense for no-one besides Houston.
and we learned this from the Melo incident? Stars go where they want. Dont care about the trade ideal, just saying
I understand what you are saying. My thinking on this trade was for Miami to get an actual low post player, and a good, but pricey, scoring forward off the bench so Lebron and D Wade won't have to score so much. I know it's a drop off in talent, but I think it would fit their team better if they had Luis. And I know if this trade were to happen, Orlando would have to get some draft picks from Houston. But the trade machine doesn't take that into consideration, so I couldn't add them in. But I think both 1st rounders this year (if it is before the draft and before the current CBA expires), the Knicks 1st rounder next year, and a future 2nd or two should be enough for the Magic to deal Dwight.
