Can we finally put to rest that the Gasol/Brown trade was 1 sided

Did you see Pau's last season and a half with the Grizzlies? The team was terrible.

 

Did you see Kobe's last 2 seasons and a half without Pau? The Lakers was terrible!

See, we gave all the players a chance to grow, Pau simply prime with the lakers. Just admit without Pau and with Marc, the Lakers won't win 2 rings in the last 3 seasons.

 

4 1st rounders from a top like the Lakers is like 4 2nd rounders. Ok, let's say Marc Gasol was a 1st round prospect by the time he was traded for, its still just 2 1st rounders+2 low first rounders for Gasol. If you compare it to basically ever other package other teams received for their star Memphis got the short end of the stick.

 

The last half was pretty good.

Not admitting anything since the Lakers would still be crazy deep down low with Marc instead of Pau. Who knows, on paper, they would still be scary.

 

Of course AL Jefferson and Crash are on the same level as Pau freakin' Gasol. Also David Kahn and Michael Jordan are among the worst GMs, if you're benchmarking yourself to the dudes who gave away Crash and AL J for cents on the dollar then you're not in good company.

Again just look at the packages teams received for KG, D-Will and Melo.

 

If you match the package the Celts got for KG its downright pathetic what Memphis got:

Celts got:

Al J (big man prospect w/lots of P), Gerald Green (Swingman prospect w/ lots of P), Sebastian Telfair (pg prospect w/ lots of P), Minny's own lottery pick back, Ryan Gomes (roleplayer big man), Theo Ratliff (exp contract), Boston's first rounder.

Memphis got:

Kwame Brown (capspace), Marc Gasol (big man prospect w/ lots of P), Aaron Mckie (???), Crittenton (roleplayer pg), 2008 and 2010 first round pick.

To add insult to injury Memphis also had to give a 2nd round pick to the Lakers, which if you think about it is worth more than 1 of their 1st rounders.

Although West had already retired by then, Chris Wallace is handpicked succesor in Memphis, and I'm sure West "mediated" between Kupchiak and Wallace when the trade was done, resulting in the trade being so lopsided for the lakers. If it was any other team they would have asked for a big time prospect like Bynum as the center piece of the Gasol package, instead of Gasol who was unknown at the time.

 

Actually four 1st round picks from a top team are even worse than 2nd round picks. Low first round picks come with guaranteed contracts and 2nd rounders don't.

 

this is silly you can never judge trades in hindsight and be like "well its fair now!"

what about the previous years? its silly

like saying the the grant hill/ben wallace trade ...man that sign and trade was soo in favor of the magic but then wait the magic went no where and wallace went on to win multiple dpoys, multiple final appearances and a ring and now that trade is lopsided in the pistons favor

hindsight never works for trades you go based on what was traded at the time and for whom


also if my memory recalls correctly the grizzlies didnt trade for randolph because they wanted him they traded for him because they were so far under the cap that they were going to get fined by the league for not meeting the minimum salary rules so the trade to get randolph was made just to get his large contract to meet league requirements not so much for his talent.

such a silly argument to say in hindsight especially when the lakers made 3 straight finals and 2 straight rings since the trade and the grizzlies have won a total of 5 playoff games since then...yes its so even now

 

Did you really just compare Marc Gasol to LeBron James? I...don't even know how to respond to this. LeBron, the unanimous #1 pick of the strongest draft class in recent memory versus Marc, the 48th pick of a very top-heavy draft.

People also said we were going to trade for Gerald Wallace and Deron Williams this deadline, among others. Speculation is fun but please don't base your arguments around them.

Do you really want me to show you the draft express profiles of countless busts? You're touting that as if it's some sort of irrefutable evidence proving that everyone knew Marc Gasol was going to pan out.

And really, stop with this "4 first-rounders, which rebuilding team WOULDN'T want that" garbage. Two late (28) first rounders in '08 and '10, Javaris Crittenton (19th pick, now in the D-League) and Marc Gasol (48th pick) does not make 4 first-rounders. It makes two mediocre picks, one dud from a previous draft (two if you count Kwame) and one stud, which again, wasn't a sure thing when the trade happened. If you're going to use a GM trying to save face as your "evidence" for this supposed luxury rebuilding package, you really have a bad case of confirmation bias.

 

And I'm telling you teams don't do that (use a high pick on a center to play center when they are fine with their starting center). You claim teams do that to stockpile talent, so it shouldn't be hard to come up with some examples. Teams don't do that. If the Wizards get the top pick they aren't taking Irving.

Picking a dude to play alongside someone, ie a different position, is not an example. Picking someone to replace someone that you are shopping and trying to get rid of is not a good example. Please give an example of a team with a C spending a high pick on another dude to play C, or one with a top PG picking another dude to play PG, etc. That would be stockpiling talent, as opposed to drafting someone else to play a different position.*

 

If you have to explain in more than one sentence why this trade was good for the Grizz....

then you're wrong.

 

Those facts don't make the trade itself one sided. Lakers were trading for a piece to become a contender, Memphis tried to unload a star player for prospects and expiring for rebuilding.

Pau Gasol was definitely traded below the market price, Memphis probably could've have gotten a better package for rebuilding.

The fact Memphis has finally turned the franchise around does not make the trade any better than it was before. If anything, it only shows the Grizzlies are good at looking at prospects because they showed confidence in Marc Gasol who is a second rounder.

 

So, the bottom line is the grizzlies won the trade, but they are still idiots.

Have fun with mediocrity, I guess we'll have to suffer with the idiots label all the way to the western conference finals.

Man I don't know how we will live with ourselves. I guess we will find a way.

 

So the Lakers lost the trade?

 

Annnnd this is how you know you lost an argument. Leaving with an ever-classy string of "nyah-nyah" cheap shots roughly equivalent to blocking your ears and screaming "I CAN'T HEAR YOU, I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG HAHAHA"

Bravo, sir. You are the wins.

 

No it's not.

Why do I have to care?

My team is on top. That point is driven home ever game and with continue to be so. And we don't even have Rudy Gay yet.

Yall sound like a bunch of envious, bitter posters that can only accept that they (yall) were still right, which clearly you aren't since Zach and Co. just manhandled the darlings.

Good luck?

 

I don't see how anyone could argue that it was a fair trade. At the time Pau was almost certainly worth more than what they got and most league GMs said they didn't even know Pau was available which means the Griz didn't do the leg work to find the best value.

Additionally, the owner there has a rep for meddling in the affairs of his front office staff and wouldn't you know it he has was also called out in an interview this year after it become obvious that he didn't understand that signing 1st round draft picks was mandatory(he was trying to negotiate their salaries and threatened to not sign them).

That the trade turned out well for a team who is owned by someone who doesn't understand the CBA yet tries to dictate personnel decisions, who has drafted horribly in recent history(Thabeet at #2?), and has signed castaway players only so it wouldn't get fined by the league for having too low a payroll...well, that's more of a miracle than anything else.

 

The fact that the Grizz didn't shop Pau around means it was a bad trade. Period.

Bidding exists for a reason. If you don't bid something extremely valuable, instead selling it to the first person to offer you a price, you're an idiot.

 

What other offer was better? Bulls were the only team that had picks but they didn't have any expiring contract to trade.

 

That's more than one sentence.