Can we finally put to rest that the Gasol/Brown trade was 1 sided

Perhaps I should have said "looking like they would be constantly in the lottery." That is what I meant. They hadn't made the postseason in a couple of years and was one of the worst teams in the league at the time of the deal.

You are right about the deal being made after losing Bynum. Still don't see how that makes them a "borderline playoff" team. Still disagree that the deal "turned a borderline playoff team into a dynasty," more like made a really good team even better.

 

He got eliminated by the Pau Lakers the first year out, as well.

Now he's gonna say it was a good deal for Memphis in order to rationalize how he just got beat by the 8th seed in convincing fashion.

 

I guess you and I have completely different ideas of how a rebuilding team should draft. My personal opinion is best player available and try to stockpile assets. They probably had Thabeet ranked on the top, don't see it as a knock against Marc. Just trying to stockpile talent (especially at a position of huge demand in this league).

Nobody is spinning anything. They made a risky deal which paid out huge. All I am saying is that maybe they knew what they were doing when they made it (especially given the ties of Marc to the Grizzlies).

 

Well thats pretty much my point the Lakers needed Pau.

 

Well, if you want to rest that trade, because of what things are now?
Then dont forget the one-sided trade that got Kobe Bryant for Vlade Divac.
If kobe were with the Hornets, they would have been in the playoffs more times than now.

 

Grizzlies did NOT know Marc was going to be this good at time of trade. It was not until after the trade and during the Olympics that Marc started to look promising. No way did they think from his high school days in Memphis this kid would be good center in NBA. This is what great shape he was in during high school:



Marc’s development helped Grizzlies to save face, but please do not tell me Grizzlies made well thought out deal at the time.

 

Lol.

Well the deal was made when Marc started to emerge as a legit player in Europe.

Just saying with Pau on the team, pretty sure they always had an eye on Marc.

They had a good plan when they made the deal and clearly it worked out.

 

It wasnt just Bynum why the Lakers were the number one seed. But he was one of the reasons.

If the Lakers didnt get Pau with the history of Bynum they would be sucking.

 

Chicago didn't have any big contract at the time. And they didn't see Gasol as the franchise player. And they're totally right on that one.

 

Lakers were a contender with healthy Bynum alone. That's why they topped the west before the Bynum went down. It's a win-win trade. Both parties are really happy, and only Lakers haters are so hurt. LOL

 

Lotto teams don't use #2 picks to stockpile assets when they have other holes to fill. Let's just say that we never spent a top pick on a center when we had Hakeem. Same goes for any other team that has a young C they believe in and plan on keeping. Let's be real now. I can see stockpiling wings but only 1 center gets on the court.*

The trade turned out well but if they thought Gasol was the answer they weren't picking another C that high. Most GMs don't seem to operate that way. I guarantee you the Wizards won't be picking another PG with their pick. I'll do a tip jar bet that the Clippers don't take a PF.

 

if the lakers offered Pau Gasol for Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph, Darrell Arthur, Hamed Haddadi, Greivis Vasquez and Sam Young, the Grizzlies would laugh and hang up.

 

Typically, long-time members of clutchfans are intelligent.

Yeah what you said made a lot of sense because the Pau Gasol trade directly lead to obtaining all of these players that are playing on the Grizzlies now, right? And everyone knew they'd be playing at this level, right? They also knew Randolph would resurrect his career, right? That the draft prospects would turn out to be serviceable players, too? Of course the Grizzlies knew all this. Why else would they have made the trade with so much confidence, leading to the owner publicly admitting that they could have probably gotten more for Pau Gasol had they been more patient?

If injustice leads to a series of fortunate/favorable events, does that make all the preceding events "ok"? You couldn't justify this trade when it happened and you can't justify it now. Fortunately, things panned out for Memphis. Why can't we just move on?

 

You can almost say the exact same thing about Boston and Seattle. "OMG, trading Ray Allen for the #5 pick was so stupid!" Boston won a championship and became a powerhouse. That's was expected, but Seattle was going nowhere with Allen and wanted to rebuild. Ditto with Memphis.

 

I think a #5 pick for a 32-year-old makes more sense than a 26(?)-year-old for Kwame Brown + late draft prospects. Doesn't matter if they all turned out to be LeBrons.

 

We took Hakeem even though we have Sampson

 

LOL this is ridiculous. You don't judge trades by how the players panned out, you judge them by the known information at the time. If DM traded Hayes for Dwight Howard, Scola for KG and C-bud for Lebron, and all three of them died in a jet plane crash on the way here will we call DM the worst GM ever?

The fact is, AT THE TIME, Gasol was unknown and most people had him penciled as a bust ( reason why he was taken so late). Pau oth was a legitimate allstar, was fairly young (28?), and all the Grizz got for him was an expiring contract and...Gasol.

To goodbug, its not that Grizz shouldn't have traded Gasol, that's fine. But when you consider the package they got for Gasol its downright ridiculous how much Jerry West raped the Grizzlies organization. As the other poster said, the scenario speaks for itself: Lakers won 2 rings and a couple of finals appearances, with a lot more to go, while the Grizzlies just made the playoffs 3 years later. Both Randolph and Gasol are the same age and more or less make the same amount of money. Difference is Gasol has no "knuckle head/cancer" genes in his head which may come up at any time.