Can we finally put to rest that the Gasol/Brown trade was 1 sided

You are forgetting Marc Gasol. This is a guy whom the Grizzlies organization was probably more than familiar with.

The deal was Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie, the draft rights to Marc Gasol, two future first round draft picks and cash considerations for Pau Gasol and a future second round pick ( http://www.nba.com/grizzlies/news/grizzlies_trade_gasol_to_lakers-080201.html ).

Marc Gasol is worth at least a 1st imo. Javaris was a rookie 1st rounder at the time. It was basically Pau/2nd for 4 1st rounders/cash and clearing ALOT of cap.

How is that a garbage offer?

 

If the Grizzlies were to offer the Lakers Marc Gasol/Zach Randolph/a rookie 1st rounder/2 future 1sts/cash for Pau Gasol/future 2nd, would the Lakers take it?

Hell, if the Grizzlies were to offer Marc Gasol/huge trade exception/rookie 1st rounder/2 future 1sts/cash for Pau Gasol/future 2nd, would the Lakers take it?

I am pretty sure the answer is yes on both.

 

I'm not forgetting Gasol. I'm just not overvaluing him at the time of the trade to make it look better. He was not considered a major prospect at that time. Even the Grizz spent a #2 pick on a C....shows you how much they believed in him.*

Late picks, cap space and a prospect isn't a top offer.*

 

Marc was somebody the organization was familiar with. He was the brother of their best player and they even had him go to HS in Tennessee. I am pretty sure that Wallace knew what we didn't about Marc.

 

So your point is that the deal was moronic on the grizzlies part regardless of how the outcome went. So, it doesn't matter if the deal looks a whole lot better now than it did back then because the grizzlies were morons would couldn't possibly have known this and just got lucky.

That about right?

 

A rebuilding move is never going to look fair, but it is what lottery team have to do to reboot the franchise.

 

Funny how a few games changes the perception of everything.

Trying to be objective here: I think the Grizz were right about Marc Gasol, who was drafted in the 2nd round but had a breakout season in Spain prior to the trade and was viewed as a good prospect by then.

It's a stretch to say that the other pieces got Zbo, etc. They very well could have gotten Zbo by trading other stuff-- he was viewed as overpaid and under-performing in both NY and LAC. In any case, a good pick up.

Can we say that the Grizz ownership is really smart now? They are still a mixed bag, though the good may be outweighing the bad at the moment. After all, this is still the same guy who blew a #2 pick on Thabeet, no?

 

Wallace knew enough about Gasol to spend a #2 draft pick on another center. I'm just assuming, but that doesn't tell me that they expected Gasol to be the player that he is.

Do you think Gasol alone, as good as he is now, would net you a top 5 pick in the draft? D-Will got the Jazz a top 3 pick prospect and other high picks. Allen got the Sonics a top 5 pick. KG got the Wolves a lotto 1st (that they owed Boston) and Al Jefferson (who was putting up better numbers than Gasol when he was only 22).

The Grizz could have gotten much more for Gasol. His brother unexpectedly panning out doesn't change that.

 

The Lakers were #1 in the West when they made that trade. How is that "borderline playoffs"?

 

My point is the Grizz could have gotten more for Gasol at the time and didn't.

If the Grizz truly believed in Gasol then they would not have spent a #2 pick on another center. How does that make any sense? Randolph turned things around after three teams basically gave him away. Things did turn out good for them in the end though based on good fortune. I can drive home drunk sometimes and still make it, but that doesn't make it a wise decision based on the outcome.

Also, since you are a Grizz fan I would love to see your reactions when the trade was made (to see how pumped you were about Gasol) and when you guys traded for Z Bo (to see if you thought that was such a great move and expected what's happening now). I say that because those arguing against the trade are basically stating the Grizz sold low.

 

Not borderline playoffs but without a big they were in a losing funk and clearly weren't going to be a contender without some presence down there.

 

It's good to be familiar with a guy who was still 30 pounds overweight. More cushion for the pushin if you're about to get effed in a trade.

 

I know right. It makes no sense to tout Gasol when the Grizz drafted a center #2. You don't spend a #2 pick on a backup center, or when you have a center on your roster that you really believe in. Especially not when you are a lotto team with holes. I have no clue why people keep trying to spin it as the Grizz just knew he was going to be a stud and that he was some top prospect at the time. Now of they want to say that about ZBo go right ahead. At least that sound better.

 

It is what it is!!! Point blank.. They had to do something or Kobe would've went to Denver (maybe not)

 

You're right about the Grizzlies never winning a playoff series, but "constantly in the lottery"? They made the playoffs in 2004, 2005, and 2006. They finished ahead of those same Lakers in two of those years.

And you're right about the Lakers being #1 in the West when the trade happened. That was due mostly to the emergence of Andrew Bynum. We all know what happened there. He was injured right before the Gasol trade and has never been healthy in the playoffs these past three years. The Lakers would not be championship contenders if this trade hadn't been made.

 

The Lakers wasn't going anywhere without Pau. And if they was still without him today, they wouldn't have made it to one finals.

 

They were the number seed, but it was still early in the season I believe. I think without Pau they wouldnt have stayed the number one seed because remember Bymum went down with a injury.