So to clarify, what do you believe would be the reason, back in the 1960's, for the Obama's to pretend that their son was born in Hawaii and put in a birth announcement there? When you quote from birther sites, you are a birther. You have run away from all logic and reason and simply are regurgitating nonsense regardless of whether it's been discredited or has any merit - that is EXACTLY what 9/11 Truthers and "we haven't been to the moon" people and all the other nutcases out there do.
However, the certificate of live birth is lacking of concrete evidence since it is without hopsital/doctor verification...For example, I can show you my long form birth certificate which is very similar to the hawaii long form birth certificate which includes this, The certificate of live birth lacks this attachment and is NOT based on hospital records,.. Many people remain unaware a child does not even have to be born in Hawaii to receive a Certification of Live Birth... The only requirement for proof cited in the law doesn't address the birth of the child either, just "that the legal parents of such individual while living without Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child." no real evidence to back that up, but then he is a state health dept director...can't lose that job. . . Which is a friend, yes?...friends can be biased...What about the neighbor and her testimony?...Arakaki (the neighbor) told Baro's investigators she had no recollection of Obama being born or of the family living next door having a black child born to a white mother. However partially true, the reliance of the info. comes into question. For example, the Honolulu Advertiser, which ran a Barack Obama birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Sunday Advertiser, relies on the state-issued certification, rather than reporting from hospitals. The Advertiser's Marsha McFadden told WND at the time of Obama's birth announcement, the newspaper got all of its information from the state Department of Health. That would include the address. -so in effect there can be holes made in the cheese quite easily. . . With all that said, there is questions that cannot be completely explained satisfactory due to the reasonable, and legitimate concerns...In no shape or form am I a "birther" as you describe but you can't ignore valid possibilities that seem to add up on the reasoning of questioning Obama's birthplace. Although I can understand the reasoning and points...I also understand the points on the other side, ...As I said prior, there are certainly better areas to address Obama's lack of leadership and failing...Chances are he was born in Hawaii after all, probably very likely...I just choose not to say 100%...Is 55% too low, prob., but I just can't say 100% for sure... I will end this discussion here. . .Major, Vlaurelio, others involved: Have a nice day...Remember to plant a tree if you can, go outside and enjoy our blessed day. . .
But his legitimacy is at issue during the campaign, it was open for review by the opposing party, affirmed by the vote of the people and stands unopposed in the Supreme Court. If Karl Rove didn't find it, it ain't there. Plus his Momma says so.
If Karl Rove didn't find it, it ain't there. And Hillary and John McCain and the RNC and the Chamber of Commerce……
this is what happens when you only get your info solely from wnd and truthers howbout this, I'm pretty sure with all the time and resources have available, WND can produce a person who is clearly born before 1962 in a different country let's say canada, have a canadian birth certificate plus a hawaii colb stating that he was born in honolulu or any other part of hawaii..
This was an incredibly insidious and far-sighted plan by the Obama family to plant that newspaper article and create the birth cover story so that 49 years later it could be used as evidence. How did they know? Are they psychic? Are they controlling our minds? This could be worse than we ever expected. I don't trust the birthers to investigate, they're too biased politically. Thank god we have roxran and thumbs onboard to be objective about it.
this is not different from truther mentality alot of people never saw me as an infant so I'm probably an alien and you're an expert on black neighbor relations right?
Actually, they can. Just like 9/11 Truthers and No-Man-on-the-Mooners. You are no different than them, no matter how much you pretend otherwise. Look at those conspiracy sites - you'll find the same nonsensical "there are legit questions!" crap you're posting here.
As an example, 14 hours ago, you didn't even know there was a birth announcement in the newspaper - you needed a link as proof. And then hours later, you are convinced there are questions about it, based on your reading of WND. That's the perfect example of the stupid idiot consipiracy theorist. You didn't even do an ounce of research when presented with new evidence - you just regurgitated from your favorite conspiracy website and decided that there are now legit questions that just can't possibly be answered legitimately. Stupidly, I ignored my own answer to this thread's original question.
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i dont believe the official story regarding 9/11, but i do believe obama was born in hawaii. did i just blow yallz miiiiiiiiindz? and i wish the media had given 1/100th the coverage to "truthers" that they give to "birthers".
Here's the problem. You are bringing up factual information that is proof of his citizenship. It is beyond a reasonable doubt. Yet Roxran brings up an old lady who can't remember. Somehow faulty memory casts doubt on physical certifiable evidence. I think any rational person can look at the facts, and see that the birthers have no case.
