That isn't a black thing though. People always stand around and do nothing, especially since everyone would rather videotape it and put it on the internet later. It's easier to watch than to get involved obviously.
this kind of stuff makes my blood boil. I don't know why, but I kept picturing myself kicking those b****es in the face. WHAT COULD DRIVE YOU TO SUCH A POINT? They gave the girl a ****ing seizure! Likely reasons are they managed to hit her hard enough at the cerebellum repeatedly, or even more likely that the intense fear of the situation itself and helplessness kicked her sympathetic NS into overdrive. The only reason I brought that up is because it happened at my highschool one day, some kid punched another kid right in the back of the head while he was walking away (cheap shot, the other kid thought the fight was over ) and he dropped into a seizure right away. The likelyhood that girl could have died right there is too high for a place filled with numerous people that could have come to her aid. It defies human nature to witness brutality and remain so care free. Right before you burn or freeze to death you go through intense spams and ultimately a seizure before dying, just in that case usually no body can help you or you're isolated. I witness actions that remind me of all the good people have in them all the time, as people give up belongings, help someone in need of assistance, give up their spot on the bus, but at the end of the day I can't help but ask myself if the amount of **** in this world that stems from the evil in men evens it all out in the end. Sorry about the rant.
Psych. study: You're FAR less likely to help someone in need when there are others around, thinking they'll do something first.
True Beaner, I'm going to keep repeating this, because it needs to be repeated, imo. The victim wasn't a girl, but rather a gay boy...a tranny. He was caught in the womans restroom, likely by girls who recognized him from the neighborhood. This was a hate crime, which for some reason, pisses me off even more, probably because I first figured the white "girl" had made a racial slur at some point. But story is, he was beaten and no one was helping simply because he is gay.
Starting a fight like that with someone no matter the race/gender/political beliefs/sexual beliefs is unacceptable. I'm sorry you're still living in the 1800s, bigot.
So you are saying its okay for a guy to be in the girls restroom if they are gay? He/She/it should still respect the fact that he/she has a penis, and pissed in the right bathroom. I am not saying he/she deserved to be so brutalized but the fact is this tranny was not following appropriate guidelines in social settings. Being a ladyboy doesnt give you the right to piss in the womans stall, as being a bulldyke doesnt give them the right to **** in a mans bathroom.
QUESTION: What would your response be if your 5~10 year old girl was in the bathroom when a Transexual whipped it out and took a piss in the girl's restroom? I think these ladies went over board but . . .I am not comfortable with the idea that it ok for a Transgender/transgender guy using the women's bathroom. By and large . .. I think the main issue here is that their reaction was an overreaction. I think if my female child was in the bathroom and a man was in that bathroom . . . . . I would have an issue with it. I am not a woman but I understand that women don't particularly like men in the women's bathroom. I guess I can figure them being a bit upset. they just have anger management issues *grin* Seriously . .. they overreacted. They will have to pay for it. Rocket River
Where did i say that? And why would it matter wrt to giving someone a savage beating like that. Rocket River, regarding fearing for 10 yr girls being in the restroom with a tranny...there are no urinals in the womans room. There is no "whipping it out" in public. "She" surely was in a stall behind a door. No one would know, unless they recognize you from when you were a "boy." I suppose. I'm fine saying it is not OK for a tranny to use the womans restroom, but the dick would be behind closed doors. no? bottomline: I suppose a young tranny probably fears going into the mens restroom more. btw: if he is truly transexual, he is more woman than man. So he is confused.
In the defense of the workers, I think McD's employees cannot stop that kind of stuff because of possible lawsuits.
So being gay exempts someone from a savage beating? Men, women, kids, wives, old people, trannies, hobos, jews, blacks, whites, mermaids, prostitutes (especially prostitutes) are all able to and can be beaten because they are people. People by their nature have the ability to be beaten savagely or normally...who are we to decide? Fact remains that this isnt a hate crime, more like a normal beating that just so happened to be from a gaggle of black girls on to a white ladyboy... I am so tired of people thinking that certain groups are exempt from savage beatings. DAMN.
^ dude, quit putting words into my mouth. I'm saying it is a hate crime, because that's how the courts define it. Sounds like you're upset with that. You can argue the merits of defining things as hate crimes in another thread. I would say any beating for no other reason than race, gender, culture, sexual orientation, whether you're AIDS victim, a dwarf or whatever is something to punish differently. But I can understand treating everything the same as well. I suppose a young tranny probably fears going into the mens restroom more. btw: if he is truly transexual, he is more woman than man. So he is confused.
HeyP - I have an issue with the Penis being in the women's bathroom at all . .. period. Do you think it is time for a 3rd bathroom option? Rocket River
I dont see why one must make a disctinction in the first place, but only because if you're human, then you deserve rights that humans get, period. Being transexual doesn't mean that person doesn't have the right to live. They could have killed her the way they were stomping on her head, even after she was having a seizure they didn't seem interested in walking away. There's no defending them...i'd understand if they were in danger as well, but you dont stand that close to the action, laughing, talking, and taping it all if you're in danger yourself. I'm pretty sure they could get the same response in a men's restroom...you'd think there's less chance of being beat in a woman's restroom, but i guess not. The problem is the two girls didnt have enough sense or maturity to handle the situation differently. You're first option should always be to let the manager know, not start bashing the person's face in. And did you just completely switch your position after finding out it was a transexual?
How is that admissible in court or in life in general? He was born with a dick plain and simple that makes him a man. Emotionally I may feel like an elephant, that doesnt make me one. If this gay feels like he is a girl just due to hormones and by that fact alone ignore the penis he has, and demands treatment like a woman...then I am living in the stone age. I am not sure how anyone can validate a feeling over physical birthright...its such BS ppl can say they were "born the wrong gender." He needs to man up and until his balls have been removed, he needs to use the right bathroom.
Transsexuals sometimes don't have clearly defined penises. Sometimes their parents were told the baby was something between a boy and girl, and they could choose gender. Most choose male, rather than having a minor sexual operation at that time. Not to say all tranny's are like that; sometimes they just want to be a "ladyboy" as Snatche says. but we don't know in this case. "He" is surely confused though, and now he is petrified on top of that. Put yourself in "his" shoes. Would you be more scared to go into the men's room? Maybe he should just never use public restrooms at all. Think about that for a second.
beating up a gay person is a hate crime. that's the court's definition. deal with it. As I'm trying to explain to RR, sometimes they don't really have dicks; they are equally defined as huge ****orises. This is fact. Parents are told to choose gender for the baby. You're right though; it's probably more likely he's gay and just wants to dress the part. That's vastly more common. anyhow, I don't know why you are arguing with me. I think you are arguing your point, but I'm not arguing with you. Start a thread in D&D about Hate Crimes. Get it off your chest there. I'm just stating fact. EDIT: haha, I found another banned word. lol
wimp. You should have started a "Should Law Define Hate Crimes" thread. That would be an interesting split across D&D. I don't think anyone will argue with you on bathroom rights, and I won't either, except in the rare cases of a true transexual, who the parent chose the gender.
If the person had a "gender reassignment" surgery then that makes them legally recognized as a female and they would be entitled to use the female bathroom ( correct me if I'm wrong, but I think thats the ruling) This is kind of a gray area because such operations really do nothing to change the fundamental difference between males and females. As we all know from basic human biology class, if you have a "Y" chromosome you are a male......period. If you do not, you are a female.....period. So, biologically speaking, you have a male walking into and using a female restroom. Granted, no of this makes the actions of those 2 women acceptable and they will be punished accordingly I quite sure, but that is a gray area in the law...and that is the kind of situations that you can have when you attempt to mess with mother nature ( referring to the gray area created, not the beating.)
