The certificate of live birth is acceptable to the United States state department. It can be used to get a valid passport. Obama doesn't have to show anything else. HE's shown proof. Furthermore, to think race isn't involved is silly. A white person named Mark Smith (or any other anglo sounding name) would not have people believing he was born outside the United States. But a black guy named Barrack Hussein Obama, who had a Kenyon father, and was partly brought up in Indonesia is enough to make some people believe the silly accusations despite the proof.
That article posted by mc mark is indeed excellent. I think it covers everything and expresses it well.
I base it on the fact we don't know too much about anything outside our personal lives with absolute certainty...It's the same thing when people on the news state they knew their neighbors for years and never would have guessed they had dead bodies in their basement or something similar. . .You assume things but you don't know for sure... Now you can say, you wouldn't say the same thing about Bill Clinton,... true, but if Bill was reported to be raised in South Africa, and 2 different hospitals in Arkansas were reported as in the mix for his place of birth, then and because of the conflicting info., I would feel similar in my percentage of feeling about it. . . Now to restate my feelings to late-comers to this thread (so they don't misunderstand my direction on this), it really does no good to pursue this, and it will make those that do look folly. . .Chances are he was born here in U.S., but even if not... you will NOT see an uproar from me, and if it was between him and Trump, I'll promise to join in supporting Obama...Trump is zero cred and a joke. I have some middle ground appeal like conservation, and pro-green initiatives...To me Obama has shined there...But in other areas like pro-public union, or demonstrating leadership in the face of compromise, heck no ,. . .
Apologies if this has already been posted... Some Obama birth records made public for years By MARK NIESSE © 2011 The Associated Press April 23, 2011, 9:30AM HONOLULU — Lost in the renewed scrutiny into President Barack Obama's birth records is the fact that anyone can walk into a Hawaii vital records office, wait in line behind couples getting marriage licenses and open a baby-blue government binder containing basic information about his birth. Highlighted in yellow on page 1,218 of the thick binder is the computer-generated listing for a boy named Barack Hussein Obama II born in Hawaii, surrounded by the alphabetized last names of all other children born in-state between 1960 and 1964. This is the only government birth information, called "index data," available to the public. So far this month, only The Associated Press and one other person had looked at the binder, according to a sign-in sheet viewed Wednesday in the state Department of Health building. The sheet showed about 25 names of people who have seen the document since March 2010, when the sign-in sheet begins. Those documents complement newspaper birth announcements published soon after Obama's Aug. 4, 1961 birth and a "certification of live birth" released by the Obama campaign three years ago, the only type of birth certificate the state issues. So-called "birthers" claim there's no proof Obama was born in the United States, and he is therefore ineligible to be president. Many of the skeptics suggest he was actually born in Kenya, his father's home country, or Indonesia where he spent a few years of his childhood. Possible Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has repeatedly stoked the birther fires recently, and last month called on Obama to "show his birth certificate." Trump said he has investigators in Hawaii searching for more information. "Nobody has come in and said they're investigating for Donald Trump," said Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo, who acknowledged they could've come in without identifying themselves as representing Trump. What the would-be sleuths won't find is Obama's "long-form birth certificate," a confidential one-page document containing his original birth records kept on file in the first floor of the Department of Health. Those original birth records typically include additional birth details, such as the hospital and delivering doctor, said Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the state's former health director who twice looked at and publicly confirmed Obama's original long-form birth records. But those documents are state government property that can't be released to anyone, even the president himself, said Joshua Wisch, special assistant to the state attorney general. Obama would be able to inspect his birth records if he visited the Health Department in person, but original records of live birth are never released, he said. Fukino, who served as the state's health director until late last year under former Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, said in an interview with The Associated Press she's convinced the long-form document is authentic. She issued public statements in 2008 and 2009 saying she had seen the original records. "It is absolutely clear to me that he was born here in Hawaii," Fukino told the AP. "It should not be an issue, and I think people need to focus on the other bad things going on in our country and in our state and figure out what we're going to do about those things." Before Obama's campaign released his certification of live birth in 2008, he or someone with a tangible interest had to make a written request and pay a $10 fee to receive it, Okubo said. Wisch also said Obama obtained a copy of his own certification of live birth and publicly released it. State privacy laws prevent a certification of live birth from being released to anyone except those with a tangible interest, such as the person named by the birth record or a close family member. The document is generated by computer, based on original birth records on file with the state, Fukino said. New Health Director Loretta Fuddy, a Democratic appointee, declined to comment. Last week, Republican Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a bill that would have required presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship before their names could appear on the state's ballot — which was widely viewed as targeting Obama — calling it a "bridge too far." But the birther conspiracy theory refuses to go away. The latest New York Times-CBS News poll found that 45 percent of adult Republicans said they believe Obama was born in another country, and 22 percent said they don't know. Only one-third of Republicans said they believe the president is native born. The same poll a year ago found that a plurality of Republicans believed the president was born in the U.S. Obama said in an interview with ABC News this month that Republicans sowing doubts about whether he's American-born may gain politically in the short term by playing to their constituencies, but will have trouble when the general election rolls around. "Just want to be clear — I was born in Hawaii," the president said at a fundraiser in his hometown of Chicago. Newspaper birth announcements appeared in both The Honolulu Advertiser and The Honolulu Star-Bulletin in the weeks after he was born. The Aug. 13, 1961 announcement in the Advertiser appears on page B-6 of the Sunday edition, next to classified ads for carpentry work and house repair. It says, "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4." The address belonged to the parents of Ann Dunham, Obama's mother. A similar announcement appeared the following day on page 24 of the Star-Bulletin. ___ Online: http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/7534195.html
This only reinforces the notion that birthers implicitly distrust the idea of a government that's remotely competent enough to handle responsibilities people take for granted. Sounds like the Tea Party, no? Pretty damn depressing we elect civil servants to tear down or water down institutions designed to maintain public interests. No one is disputing the need to eliminate bureaucratic waste and inefficiency. But to throw the baby out of the bathwater in the name of that general theme isn't only ignorant, it feels premeditated.
true and on it's own without #2, it would have nothing to do with each other as you implied... Aha,...and here is #2 . . .http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=103306 Again, #1 on it's own is nothing, but #1 mixed with #2 = a mixture of dark, murky water that can be difficult to clarify and state for sure what exactly is in the bowl . . .!
to you, who is more credible source of where Obama was born? snopes.com or Hawaii's republican governor?
Governor<>expert of where you are born , ... The evidence from the website displays a white house stationary dated Jan. 24, 2009 that Obama has stated Kapi 'olani Medical Center as "the place of my birth" . . . but then you had the blog site "mybarackobama.com" (captioned and dated Nov. 13th 2008) state he was born at Queens medical center?....and also that same year from the United Press International stated the same thing. . . .perhaps confusion based on ignorant research, but it has happened before with the 2004 Rainbow edition news letter stating as such. . .It just strikes me odd that everybody seemed to be confused,...and you may say there is the "Certification of Live Birth" which is posted online and widely touted as "Obama's birth certificate", but it does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same "short-form" document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true "long-form" birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny. I further find it odd that Obama immediately used his first full day in residence in the Oval Office to issue an executive order restricting the release of presidential records ...transparency? It's just a lot to buy...but then I don't care too much. . . .
A throat punch is a kill shot, so a self-defense plea wins every time, especially in Texas. I covered too many of those to know a decent defense lawyer wins every time.
I asked about being a credible source not an expert republican governor who has seen Obama's birth certificate=credible source of where Obama was born what are the sources of snopes.com and upi? is it possible they simoply made a mistake? who is a credible source of where a person was born? republican governor who has seen birth certificate or snopes.com or upi.com
Fair enough. I guess if there's a person rabid enough to wish that throat punching is legal, then he'll also be rabid enough to telegraph that he's going to throat punch another person. But at that distance, it'll likely be too late to draw out your gun in time.
I wouldn't because I don't carry (I am a proponent of making all hand guns illegal with only a few exceptions for law enforcement and olympic shooters). However, my woman would. As a former police officer and college professor, she packs all the time. Since we attend political rallies together, I might be dead or hurt, but so would my assailant. Of course, I would lose twice because she would get the last word with regard to our on-going argument over pistols.:grin:
You know thumbs, occasionally you will post things that make me think you might genuinely be seeking intelligent political discourse. Then there are threads like this one and I realize I was right in my initial assessments.
Thats why I don't support immortality. Imagine having these people around FOREVER Flush the old coots out and give new people a try.
Except an official short form live birth certificate from someone not born in HI would not say they were. Anyway if you are saying that a short form document is easily forged well if this really were a conspiracy to hide Obama's birth including HI's governor and two Honolulu newspapers, then why not just forge a long form birth certificate? My understanding is that HI's law forbids the public release of such information. And what was the last Admin's record regarding the release of presidential records? Anyway you don't need presidential records to confirm Obama's birth.
