Sharia Law in Indonesia: Woman whipped for having an affair

no you dumbass. We are referring to the recent rep that ATW posted in this thread.

Did you just double down on stupid? yes.

Thanks for playing.

 

sorry 'bout that. Guilty as charged.

You responded to this from SirJackie:

I should just sit down and observe. I kind of view our Arab league as a particularly fierce chapter of OCP, and ATW swinging away thinking he's a god. The idea of ATW's macbethian efforts against the Big Wheel gang amuses me.

And I thought you'd offered up an easy $500 to the site.

carry on.

 

I have never pretended to be a fan of ATW, but I think the gang of posters who attack him all the time are actually worse.

 

Great Thread! NOOOOOOOOOOT!

 

Some validity to your point, but I bet you don't get your news from al-Jazeera-- the ME version!

Even though it is all available, people still choose where to go for their news.

 

Are you on drugs? No seriously, because you need to be. That is not what you originally claimed. Damn, now I am totally sure you have some sort of mental disability. I actually feel bad pwning you all the time now.

 

Never bet a German on Hitler's birthday.

 

If religion didn't exist, or by extension belief in God, this thread wouldn't exist.

And wouldn't the world be better for it?

 

Silly argument. If religion didn't exist, morality would be defined by society in the same way religion attempts to define it (it's defined by society today, as well, just religion makes claim on morality). Society would discourage such behavior (murder, theft, etc.) in a similar fashion and they'd fear the consequences there as well.

But even with religion, if someone wants to commit a crime, they will. If they know it's wrong to do so, usually they won't. Religion doesn't help in this regard.

Religion is, however, un-hypothetically responsible for massive death across the planet for centuries. This is irrefutable.

 

that's true whether you're in the US or Europe

 

I could make the argument that religion isn't really what has been behind those deaths, just the excuse used. Had it not been religion, another excuse would have been used to justify rich landowners throughout history from waging wars.

As to your other point that religion doesn't discourage behavior anymore than society does, lol. Plenty of people try to live a good life because of their faith and couldn't care less about how society views them.

 

The ultimate truth is what someone chooses as a resource. I was overturning the point being made that ATW was victim to the same news sources that most US citizens are. I don't think he is from what I've seen. It was just a lame attempt to discredit his POV.

 

I think that's actually very very very very rare, and I make a point of befriending such people if I ever do meet them.

I would say less than 1% of people I know live a very good moral life (according to their own standards) because of their faith + couldn't care less about how society views them.

I think those are goals we should all strive for, regardless of where that faith is placed, as long as you keep acquiring information and knowledge to refine your sense of morality.

I'm actually a bit surprised that you've somewhat belittled it here. How many people wouldn't pray if not for social pressure? How many people would stop growing beards and wear religious head gear? How many people conceal the fact that they're atheist? How many people eat like hell, get fat, and then try to hide it with cosmetic changes when they go out?

It's extremely difficult. It's important to be able to accept feedback from society though, as long as society does not drive your morality. Your source of morality should be the most reliable information, and society can give you feedback, but ultimately your purpose is whatever form of religion/non-religion that you have faith in. If I could borrow a term from corporate governance, you basically need to have Chinese Walls between the feedback you get from society and the moral verification procedures for your actions. (Yes, I was on a course recently for Corporate Governance and Anti Money Laundering lol)

 

I think this is a lame defense from someone who was many times proven wrong on his POV of Islam himself

 

Don't you have something better to do than take failed shots at me?!? Oh, and how many times? About what?

:grin:

 

i'm just bored

 

Hey ATW, remember when we had a discussion about my thoughts on Islam still being in the vicious infancy, similar to Christianity several hundred years ago?

Well, I found a comic that illustrates my feelings perfectly: