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Myfoxhouston.com: The Adelman Speaks

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Apr 19, 2011.

  1. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Contributing Member

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    http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/nba/110419-rick-adelman:-time-to-move-on


    Read more: http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/nba/110419-rick-adelman:-time-to-move-on#ixzz1K0GII7Rt
     
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  2. Blurr#7

    Blurr#7 Contributing Member

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    = "Daryl was shoving stacks of statistical mumbo jumbo down my throat and I didn't know what the hell to do with it"
     
  3. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    More like, "I didn't want play Williams, Thabeet and Hill significant minutes."
     
  4. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    more like the team wants to rebuild, and wanted him to give time to the younger guys to develop. example, hill and patterson replacing millers minutes, and maybe even some of chucks minutes. also bud, lee, and williams getting minutes ahead of shane which was fixed at the deadline. adelman didn't like that his hand was forced there.

    i think its time people stop blaming morey and les for this one. RA said plain and clear, there was an opportunity for him to stay if he wanted to go in the same direction as les and morey. he didn't, so both sides decided to part ways.

    adelman wants to win now as he is in the later stages of his career. the rockets need to rebuild. its whats best for the team, not whats best for adelman.
     
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  5. Blurr#7

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    Probably true also, can't really blame Rick on that decision when you were still close to a playoff spot.
     
  6. mugrakers

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    I'm so glad Adelman is gone. Now we either naturally tank and get a kid from the draft that we can build around or finally use our young talent dying on the sidelines. Remember Hedo and Gerald Wallace were no one's till they left Adelman's shadow in Sacramento.
     
  7. sammy

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    I doubt the new coach will play them either. I think Hill and Williams are trade bait or at least I hope that they are.
     
  8. Blurr#7

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    Chances of getting a franchise player
    Picks 1-10:

    1.Franchise Player - 16 percent

    2.All-Star - 22 percent

    3.Solid Rotation Player - 24 percent

    4.Bust - 38 percent
     
  9. jopatmc

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    "unnecessary" is a term that most likely applies to all the data and analysis that was given him to consider.
     
  10. rju1986

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    It was fun (in its ways) while it lasted, we need something else to steer us into a better direction with whom we now have. This move will not prove beneficial until another proven coach can man the helms.. which means no to Mike Brown.
     
  11. Carl Herrera

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    To me, it seems like the "Trade of the Month" and "Trade Rumor of the Week" that the Rockets put themselves through.
     
  12. dobro1229

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    Its simple.

    -The Front Office most likely said, our coach has to play our young players significant minutes to A. Improve enough to become impact players B. Become tradeable players to help upgrade the team.

    Guys like Jordan Hill, etc. must play because they have the upside athletic talent to become elite players. It might not happen, but you must see by playing them. By giving more minutes to Brad Miller and Shane Battier you are helping stability and you will win a game or two more, but your missing the end result, which is to gain elite talent that will help win a title.

    -Rick Adelman wants stability in his roster. He wants to play players he can trust, and wants to be able to help with decision making on trades and draft picks.

    As an example.... Rick wants Brad Miller, the team knows they needs an improved Hasheem Thabeet.

    ..........................

    Overall I understand Rick's side. He wants to coach and he believes this team could make the playoffs next season and compete next season. It really says alot about a coach that believes that much in his players and is willing to work hard to put in the hours to make sure it happens.

    However I have to side with front office here still. They understand that the safe roster that can win under Rick Adelman will not be a sure fire contender, and getting 45 wins and the 8th seed in the playoffs is not achieving their goal of a championship.

    Its not popular with fans who like their favorite players and dont want them traded, and it sure isnt the popular approach with the players and coaches, but they have to continue to make moves and figure out a way to aquire a foundation piece to build on.
     
  13. apollo33

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    LOL but then again which coach in the NBA would play Thabeet and Twill significant minutes.
     
  14. tamericus

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    Picks 11-20:

    Franchise Player - 0 percent
    All-Star - 6 percent
    Solid Rotation Player - 20 percent
    Bust - 74 percent

    I'll take those 1-10 odds any day.
     
  15. dobro1229

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    -Hill should get another summer to improve unless they are unable to move a draft pick this season. To the team, he is probably worth another year unless they feel strongly about young incoming talent and want to clear him out. Unless he significantly improves, I doubt he will be a Rocket after the 2012 trade deadline.

    -Terrence on the other hand would have never seen Rockets red again if Adelman would have come back. Now that Adelman is out of the picture, the front office might give it one more swing of the bat, but that is only if they cant find a taker for him. However his attitude issues have made him virtually untadeable. The Rockets will think long and hard about giving him another shot at training camp.

    More than likely he will be first off the roster if possible, but they will not want to pay a team to take him off their hands, which right now would be the case. Ironically, his attitude issues both cost him his career, and saved his current job by making him untradeable.

    I wouldnt consider them anywhere close to "trade bait" though. They are expendable projects. More than likely the new rookies and/or free agent signings will be significant upgrades.
     
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    Yeah, there's a zero percent chance of drafting a franchise player below 10 - no chance, never going to happen.

    --signed Steve Nash (Pick #15)
     
  17. HMMMHMM

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    Rockets.com did an interview with Adelman as well:

    http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/rick_adelman_addresses_parting_2011_04_19.html

    How difficult has this been for you?

    It’s been tough. We had two or three days where we talked through a lot of things and I just think that the direction the team wanted to go, some changes they wanted made, I just wasn’t comfortable. I thought we had good dialogue and everything else but I think at the end of the day it was probably best to go our separate ways.

    Any avenue where you could have stayed?

    We had conversations where we talked about the framework of what they wanted and could I be comfortable in that framework. We talked through that and a lot of it was fine and some of it I thought was unnecessary and was going to be difficult, so at the end of the day I think there was an opportunity there, but it just didn’t mesh.

    So this was amicable?

    Daryl and I had some good talks and everything. I disagree with some of the direction, the method they wanted to use to get there. I thought me and my staff had done a good job, bringing this team the last two years and getting them where they were. I thought we could continue on with that. Like I said, the direction and the environment they wanted was a little different than mine, so at the end of the day that’s their choice and I wish them well but I think it’s probably best that I moved on.

    How hard is this for you?

    It’s always hard. I think people sometimes look at when guys get fired, which this is different – this is not getting fired. Getting fired is tough. Suddenly, whether you wanted it or not, you’re gone. This situation’s been very good. The players have been terrific. I love this team. The organization, the basketball people have been really good, so it’s always hard to leave that, something you’re used to. It’s kind of a void where you’re suddenly saying, ‘Geez, it’s over with there.’ But I knew this was a possibility. Even though you know that and try to prepare for it, it’s still difficult when it happens.

    Players are disappointed. What does that mean to you?

    It means an awful lot because I’ve changed jobs a number of times and I’ve never had players in those jobs where this many players come out and comment like they commented. It really took me back. I didn’t expect them and didn’t think that would happen but we really did bond this year and the way we grew this year I really thought it was special. That meant an awful lot to me.

    How does this experience rank?

    I look at it as I had a great situation in Portland obviously, a great team in Sacramento the same way and actually in Sacramento, because of our success, changes were just starting to be made then toward the end in Sacramento it wasn’t a pleasant time. We were slipping a little bit. But this, I think, was right up there with those situations because of the players and the people who work in this organization. I think it’s a special place and, for me, even though we didn’t have the success we had in those other two places, it’s right there with them just because of the attitude of these guys and the way they approached it. You didn’t win and we didn’t get to the playoffs but, boy, we came about as close as you can get with a lot of things in our way.

    Want to plunge right into coaching again?

    I think next is just the transition. We’ll be going back to Portland, that’s where our kids are and everything. So we’ll be concentrating on that. We have a couple family things coming up this summer which I was planning on anyway. I’m not looking right now, I’m not going to sit down and start calling people. I’m going to go home and just kick back and see what happens. Like I said, we have two weddings coming up this summer with our kids so when we hit Portland that’s going to take priority over everything else.

    If the right fit comes along is that something you’d be interested in looking at?

    I would certainly look at it. This team, if nothing else, even though you don’t win, when you have receptiveness like we had from these players, and the way they played together in the last part of the season and even last year, that’s what’s fun about coaching. I know what we’re doing is good and that it’s successful and I enjoy the experience so certainly I would look at it. Now there’s some places I would not look at but I certainly would listen to somebody who wanted to talk about it. Sometimes, when you leave a place, you kind of wonder if you’ll ever have another opportunity. I’ve had that happen a couple times where I’ve had opportunities and I think if I was interested than I probably could get it again. But I’m going to just wait and see what happens.

    Is it fair to say you would not want to end your coaching career on this note?

    I don’t think that’s part of it at all. I think it’s just a situation where my wife and I are in our lives and where the place is, if it pops up, then you look at it. But I think we’re pretty comfortable knowing there’s a lot of things you’d like to do that you haven’t been able to do. There’s travel that we’d like to do. I mean, I’d like to go The Masters some year and not watch it on TV. There’s just a lot of things that we’ve missed out doing and I think we’re looking at it as let’s see what happens. When I left Sacramento, that wasn’t quite done then and I had the opportunity to come here. This is a little bit different. When you get my age you start thinking of other things. When you keep getting in the mail things from AARP, Medicare and supplementary insurance, it starts kind of hitting home that maybe there’s other things in life.

    Do you think Elston Turner and Jack Sikma are ready for head coaching positions and what are their respective strengths?


    Yeah, they’re both ready. Elston’s been ready for a long time and he’s had a couple opportunities where he’s been very close and I think some of those places wish they would have hired him. I think he’s definitely ready. And Jack has been doing this a long time, too. He played and was a very successful player in this league and he’s been on different staffs. I think he can do it and all our coaches, T.R. (Dunn), those guys are all quality people and I said that all along.
     
  18. TheChosenOne

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    That's one case. Out of all the picks below 10, it's not very likely you'll draft a franchise player.
     
  19. jopatmc

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    I really feel like Adelman went overboard trying to give Hill minutes and develop him this season. I couldn't figure out why he kept running Hill out there. Because I felt that Hill was hurting his trade value and obviously hurting the team the more minutes he played.

    In fact, I feel the same way about Brooks. The more Brooks played the worse his trade value became. He was acting like a goofball off the court and like a r****d on the court.

    Another one I couldn't figure out was why Bud kept getting major minutes. It was obvious he was losing trade value as well the more he played. And even after he got the starting nod after Shane was traded, he didn't play exceedlingly well, save for a couple games where he knocked down his shots. Outside of that his D was terrible and he finished the season playing very par to subpar save for the final game. Dont' see how giving him major minutes developed his game or made him more valuable in trade.

    So, in essence, I'm wondering why Adelman blew off the first half of the season trying to figure out of Hill/Brooks/Chase could help us. It was obvious to me early that Hill neededito be gone. I still believe that. Hill is a journeyman. He does not have the intelligence nor the drive to be anything more. Physical tools only mean so much. You gotta have it between the ears. He doesn't have it there.

    So, I don't know what else Adelman could have done to develop these guys. Perhaps, he could have set Chase down in favor of TWill. And obviously he could have sat Hill down in favor of PPat. But then everybody would have been complaining about Hill not getting a chance even 10x more than they are now. I, for one, feel like Adelman gave Hill more than a chance. I feel like Adelman overplayed him at the expense of a better option in PPat and Hayes and it cost us some games.
     
  20. tamericus

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    Sorry, it was a small sample size from BR that he referenced to. (96-06) Link

    The point was that the odds are drastically lower to get a franchise player after pick #10.
     

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