[Topic Change] - Trade OUT of the 2011 Draft and IN to 2012

I agree.. try and develop some of the young ones we have this year, boost trade value, and hope we land someone nice in the next draft

 

Interesting.

I would think that makes NY's 2012 pick a prime pick. And we may be able to trade that pick and our 2011 pick plus a guy like TWill to move up to the top 2 in 2011. And I'd do that for a shot at Derrick Williams. There's your SF for the next decade. Then maybe find a taker for Scola and our other 2011 pick and move up to nab Biyombo.

There's your youth movement. Lowry/Martin/Williams/Biyomba/Hayes/Patterson/Lee/Dragic/Yao??

Or possibly pick up Cole Aldrich with a Scola trade and go with

Lowry/Martin/Williams/Aldrich/Hayes/Patterson/Lee/Dragic/Yao??

 

It's certainly something Morey and the FO will have to think about.

Two things, though:

1.) There has been some talk that the NBA is considering to raise the age limit, 'forcing' kids to stay two years in college.
2.) Don't you think pretty much any team realizes this and therfore likely won't trade their 2012/future picks for 2011 picks(+players)?

 

what am i missing here...we trade off the picks...and then still keep enough talent to stay out of the top 10 picks?

 

Of course every team is gonna think about this.. Therefore trading a 2011 pick for 2012 pick is gonna cost Alot more

 

It might be easier to move up this year? I say try to move up into the top 5.

 

Sign me up. I was thinking about this idea recently myself mainly due to the fact that we don't have the roster space to add another three new guys into the mix.

Hell, between T-Will, Hill and Thabeet it's not like we're lacking rookie-level type players to integrate into the rotation.

 

Without question. You want at least one draft pick this year, preferably your #1 pick, or to bundle these picks to trade down in the draft. I will be shocked if they end up drafting three players in 2011.

 

It's easier said than done to package our two first-round picks this year for picks in future drafts. You've got to have a buyer first.

I'm of the mind of the previous poster; Morey acts like a stockbroker, and right now the value of picks in this year's draft is down. So why not deal from a position of advantage and try to trade up while prices are low? If we sell our picks we might be crippled by the same lowball offers we're trying to make to other teams that pick above us .

Also, just because this year's NCAA class seems weak does not mean the class overall is weak. There are so many European big men available, if we can move up to get Kanter at 8-10 or stay pat and have Motiejunas or Vesely fall to us then why not take them if the scouting staff believes in them? International players will not be affected by a lockout as they can continue to hone their skills abroad without interruption. Or we could trade 14 out and keep 23 to select Noguiera if the staff likes his potential. Anyways, we all agree that we won't need whoever we select this year to help our team be mediocre next year, so either via trade (back to 2012) or pick-n-stash (in Europe), we should be able to acquire assets that grow in value over time.

(And no I'm not talking about people as assets, please don't get mad at me again whoever you are. I'm talking about picks and rookies both and 'assets' is the only word that can account for the two.)

 

Unfortunately Nogueira the big from Brazil that so many people want to draft might drop out of this draft aswell... so i wouldnt count on getting him before the final draft class is set.

It is going to be very hard to trade in to 2012 because everyone realizes that it is a better class. I would advocate using Martin or Scola as pieces to try to help us get 2012 picks. Those kinds of trades work from 2 directions. They both get us a draftpick or whatever else we get from them.... and our younger players can play ( gain exp and possibly get better ) and lead us to a worse record so our own pick is higher.

 

Completely agree with the OP . . . in theory. But I have to agree with HMMHMMM that every other team (except those with top-3 picks) also realizes this and will likely value their 2012 (and maybe even 2013) picks as more valuable than other teams' 2011 picks. But if Morey can pull it off, more power to him.

I could see Morey trade the #14 pick for a LOTTERY-PROTECTED 2012 pick. Yes, THAT is how weak this draft class is shaping up to be.

 

I agree more with this idea.

 

IMO they should play Thabeet until he fouls out, then providing him footage of his footage until he learns how to move underneath the basket. This would accomplish two goals -- transforming Thabeet into a skilled center more quickly and helping the Rockets move up (or would that be down) for a more choice position in the 2012 draft.

Also, we need to trade all three of our picks or a player and #23/Clips second rounder to somewhere between #5 and #8 to get Jonas Valanciunas. If Yao makes a true comeback, we can trade the weaker of Thabeet or Valanciunas -- or keep a wealth of big men.

To bolster the #3 spot, I hope Morey acquires a player like Travis Outlaw as a compliment to Bud. We could sent Brad Miller and Jordan Hill to the Nets for him and everybody would win. Our 2011 season would suck, but 2012 would look very, very bright.

 

I expect Daryl to find an international gem.

This draft is really weak when you consider the state side guys. However, the NBA is still hesitant when it comes to these international fellas. Morey has spent some time over seas watching games and I would suspect that is with good reason.

 

I would try to move up for Enes Kanter or Bismack Biyombo first.

 

Sure, 2 of the 5 hottest draft names...why not?

 

This is what I've been hoping for all along. Even if we have to trade our #14 pick this year for a lottery protected pick next year, I'd probably do that since we have 2 more picks this year. It's looking harder and harder for any of this to happen though with this draft getting weaker and thus, next year getting stronger.

1) #14 and cash for a first next year?
2) #14 for a lottery protected first next year?
3) #14 and a future 2nd for a first next year?

I would just hate if we went with option 2 and ended up with a pick in the mid to upper 20's, but if that's all we could get, I'd be ok with it.

Pugs

Edit: looks like pretty much everything I said has already been mentioned, should have read first!

 

I'd go the other way. There are going to be a ton of teams looking to find their way out of this draft. I'd see if you can pick up some extra picks for cheap or move up in the first round and try to find a value.

Next year's draft looks stacked, but unless these guys that are returning improve drastically, they will still be the same middling prospects. That makes the draft deeper, but not necessarily any better in terms of talent.

Barring any huge roster overhaul, the Rockets will be (roughly) drafting in the same spot next year. All that means is that they will likely again be too far down to get a superstar via the draft.

 

Let's just blow it all up. Honestly, a team led by two aging "stars" Martin and Scola aren't going to get us far. Both do have excellent trade values and maybe we could package away Brad somehow. Then we can play the young guys and hope T-Will develops into something and Patrick "Big D.. never mind" Patterson becomes Houston's next Scola (with athleticism).

I'd rather a quick death and rejuvenation than a long painful era of Rocket mediocrity.