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BREAKING: Rick Adelman is out as Houston Rockets coach

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by karthik.08, Apr 18, 2011.

  1. LosPollosHermanos

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    ok? That wasn't the point but nevertheless...

    Torn arm then.

    Still gonna go for that knee surgery reeko?
     
  2. albuster

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    Beautiful post. Repped.
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    Like I said.

    Over/under.

    3.5 years.

    Which are you taking?
     
  4. Deckard

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    I like you, Donny, but you seem to have the bizarre idea that Adelman's age presents the Rockets with a closing window. You must have missed the memo about the longer productive lives that people can lead these days. Heck, someone can be President and older than Adelman, all at the same time. Imagine that! Seriously, agree about this decision if you must. I can respect an honest disagreement, but don't drag Adelman's age into this. It makes you look foolish, at least to me.
     
  5. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    This team is not close to being a contender. Even with a decent center we can't add more than 10 wins to this team. We need size and athletism and that will take time. Rick probably didn't want to wait and Morey wanted a coach that could understand Moreys Way of trading up to get players. It took time but we now have our best back court with Lowry and Martin. Adelman didn't like the moves that allowed that tnadum to flourish.

    Rick doesn't want to deal with Moreys moves and Thats the only way Morey can get things done. We have depth at PG SG and maybe even PF now. We had no such depth in the past.

    Rick is a great coach but not the coach the team needs right now. It's Going to hurt that we are in for rebuilding but it's best to do it early and be done before we lose Lowry, Patterson and Martin.
     
  6. STR8Thugg

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    What is with this notion that Rick is a championship caliber coach? I'm sure that given the right situation he could eventually win one but considering that he hasn't ever won a championship I don't just don't understand this...
     
  7. LosPollosHermanos

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    age deals with a variety of factors, dimentia, dopaminergenic decline is different for everyone al though it would be worst for your sedentary couch potato as opposed to an NBA coach on the sidelines competing every other night. I would have to say that mobility problems would precede mental ones if age is considered an issue.
     
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    ESPN Insider:

    "Rick Adelman and the Rockets have decided to go in different directions, so now the question is: Who are the candidates to be the next head coach of the club?

    According to the Houston Chronicle, assistant coaches Elston Turner and Jack Sikma and former Rockets player Mario Elie will be invited to interview for the position.

    The newspaper also reports that former Cavs coach, Mike Brown, is a candidate, too.

    Others who may be interviewed include Mike Woodson, Dwayne Casey, Mike Budenholzer Mike Malone and Lawrence Frank.

    The Rockets, if they stay healthy next season, should be a playoff contender and that's why general manager Daryl Morey will have plenty of options when it comes to hiring the next head coach."
     
  9. Carl Herrera

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    I'm taking over for Adelman coaching career.

    Under for Les Alexander's productive life as a human being.
     
  10. DonnyMost

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    On the contrary, I'd say it is foolish to think the Rockets weren't looking at Rick's longevity as a factor... for example: how apt do you think Rick might be to stick around at his age if the Rockets got even worse? Do you not think that Rick's age may have factored into his vision for the team, and what direction he wanted to take them? And with Les, vice versa? Do you think Les looked into his crystal ball and said "5+ years from now, who gives me the best chance to be a contender?" And I'm guessing the answer, in his eyes, wasn't Adleman... and I kind of see why he thinks that... it was either start rebuilding now, or put it off til later...

    Long term vs short term planning... I think age/longevity probably came up at some point... no use tip toeing around it.

    Am I saying it is the only factor? Hell no. I just think there may be more to it than what has been publicized about the schism between the FO and Rick. Speculation to pass the time, I suppose.
     
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  11. LosPollosHermanos

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    if someone makes the finals twice* you consider them championship calibar. Are you really so ignorant or were you honestly unaware of the definition?

    Championship calibar means that you were extremely close to getting a championship but fell just short. He played jordan in portland and got weasled out by the worst officiating in sports history in 2002, which actually would have yielded him a championship.

    Only a hand full of coaches actually make it to the finals.

    I'm not sure i f you understand the significance of this notion.

    To say rick isn't championship calibar is almost as wrong as saying he isn't HOF calibar. The only exception to that I can think of is Don Nelson.

    Below PJ is tier of coaches that didn't win a championship but are better coaches then some that did including guys like sloan and adelman. mostly due to bad fortune and..well Jordan.

    Thats literally how high he ranks.
     
  12. B-Bob

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    Deck and I are taking this personally! :mad::grin:
     
  13. LosPollosHermanos

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    the rockets if they stay healthy.


    if they stay healthy.


    Someone shoot me in the ****ing face. If morey's the one that said that he's the one that needs to be slapped for banking on that excuse for too long, even as far as this season.
     
  14. b2bizchina

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    Two years ago, the team management to proceed with the team in the reconstruction, but the coach did not agree with management's business direction. In such a situation, or the management get out, get out or the coaching staff.
    Too many fans know only that Adelman can bring more wins, but it's not enough.
    Team needs a clear strategy to win the championship, which is often necessary to temporarily sacrifice some immediate benefits. However, the coach can be only interested in winning several of the current content to the ball, which would obviously undermine the long-term management of a team.
     
  15. Rockets Jones

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    I am happy for Adelman since now he can go to a classy organisation and hopefully coach a team to a championship. Personally I am happy because as most people here, grew frustrated with his decision making and minute-management. Since the Rockets are not going anywhere for the next 4-5 years, might as well bring in a new coach hoping something might develop. Adelman wouldn't be the right man to keep if they are going to 'rebuild' and keep flipping switches between rebuilding and contending.

    I am happy for the Rockets players since now they know what kind of organisation they are dealing with. Let's hope this decision will bite the Rockets in the ass, the players will not work as hard as before and they have a terrible record next season. Then we can maybe with a high pick do something to help the team in the next 5-10 years.
     
  16. LosPollosHermanos

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    what are you talking about ? thats totally false. Letting artest walk (he signed with the lakers for the mle..) had everything to do with the fact that they were going to develop the players.

    And it wasn't even that....IT WAS THE FACT THEY BANKED ON STILL BUILDING BEHIND YAO!!!

    How is that rebuilding when you publically state that this season as well?

    You are misinformed my friend. Saying you're going to keep your center piece the same despite all the bad fortune is not rick's refusal, I'm surprised he didn't storm out at the time. THats bad management, and their way of tricking people like you.
     
  17. DonnyMost

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    I know you're joking, but some people actually are taking that way overboard.

    Is Rick going to keel over dead in 3 years or turn into a pumpkin? No.

    Hell, homie might go on to coach well to the age of 70. (Although I think statistically speaking, the odds are against that happening)

    But rather than see if that were true, Les decided to hit the reset button and start fresh... and I can't really blame him.

    This was a rare case where no matter what happened I could've seen a bright side to it. Rick stays, we have a great coach. Short term, we win no doubt. Rick goes, we get our chance to rebuild (for real this time). Long term outlook uncertain, but at least we're committed to doing the heavy lifting now instead of later, or so it would seem.
     
  18. STR8Thugg

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    Right, because that's what we want... For the Rockets to make it to the finals only to lose... Look, there's no need to attack me personally, I just think that there are other coaches who are championship caliber in their own right, and may not have gotten the chance to prove it yet. Just take a look at how successful Tom Thibodeau has been this season (Granted, with an extremely talented team, but all coaches that make it to the finals have a great team...). Also, just remember that some piece of **** named Mike Brown made it to the finals once, and I don't think many people would classify him as "championship caliber". (So yes I think it would be a HUGE mistake to fire Adelman if we end up with Brown, but I'm praying that doesn't happen.)
     
  19. STR8Thugg

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    Well I think this is obvious for any team. If Kobe, Durant, Rose, etc, etc. went down with a serious injury, those team's chances would be destroyed. I think at this point, it is a must that you add this disclaimer when talking about the Rockets. However, now that the Yao/T-Mac era is officially over (and it should have been like 2 years ago), most of the top players we rely on now aren't as injury prone. Hopefully this remains the case going forward.
     
  20. b2bizchina

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    This is why you can only be a fan, not as a general manager of the team
     

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