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[Yahoo Sports] Adelman and the Rockets could soon agree to an amicable divorce

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Commodore, Apr 16, 2011.

  1. Tom Bombadillo

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    No one is really talking about this.

    Creativity in the free agent market? That is very, very interesting. I'm still trying to figure out what it means exactly.
     
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  2. LosPollosHermanos

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    hey les. So telle again what talent it is you talking about? Dont attribute players playing way over their head because of rick as talent. Its bevause of the system theu benefit off of each other greatly. Your post is ironic.
     
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  3. LosPollosHermanos

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    Gr. Beaten to the punch again.
     
  4. LosPollosHermanos

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    Sorry for the triple post! Just saw the grammar errors because im posting from the iphone.just thought a reason was needed for when the grammar police attack.
     
  5. Don FakeFan

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    what free agent did we get?

    Francis, Brent Barry, Brad Miller.
    Ariza.
    Wafer.
    Mike Harris.(who represents tens of 10-day contracts and D league manures)

    That's all I can think of.

    The creativity is Mike Harris, I guess.
     
  6. Tom Bombadillo

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    The quote seems to be in reference to this upcoming season's free agent market I believe.
     
  7. ashishduh

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    Maybe it means that Adelman is smart and doesn't want to replace Chuck as starting C and they do, with the bevy of mediocre centers available this offseason..
     
  8. LongTimeFan

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    That caught my eye as well. How could you be creative in the FA market? The only thing I could think of is what Presti did with Nick Collison.. but why on earth would Adelman be opposed to that? :confused:
     
  9. Rocket Addict

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    Perhaps he was critical of the no extensions approach that played a role in Brook's mental breakdown?
     
  10. sammy

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    I would root for Adelman even if he went to the Lakers.


    Oh and Les is an idiot. He should hold himself to that high of a standard.
     
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  11. Tfor3

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    Adelman is at the stros game behind home plate - He has definitely "checked-out." He should be planning for next year!

    Saw JVG at a stros game a couple days ago too.

    This means RA is now a former coach, we just don't know it yet:p
     
  12. rock4ever

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    My take on this whole Adelman situation is that he's too good and over qualified for the type of team Les & Morey want. When a coach is criticized by the organization for winning too much, then your GM and owner have serious problems.

    The worse part about it is the fans have bought into the organization's nonsense:rolleyes:
     
  13. LongTimeFan

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    Link?
     
  14. TheFreak

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    Of course Adelman only lost games for the Rockets this year by his presence. You didn't know that? They didn't win any games they shouldn't have due to Rick, they only lost games they shouldn't have. They probably could have swept Boston by themselves, with no coach on the bench. You put any coach out there and they probably still lead the league in assists and post the #4 offense in the league. That's just how good Morey is. Had Adelman played undrafted rookie Ish instead of Brooks, they probably would have been #1 in offense instead of 4th.
     
  15. TheFreak

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    Uh, they gave Bosh an iPad with a Rocket logo? Hello?
     
  16. dobro1229

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    I see this as referring not to the "greatness" of the moves that were made, but the fact that Adelman expressed so much dissaproval of the moves that were made, and did not work new players into the rotation enough to see if they would actually be a factor for their team going into the future.

    For example the trade deadline deals trading Brooks & Battier. Adelman, spoke out in the media several times about it, never really said he was against the trades but seemed almost sarcastic and baffled by them. Adelman just didnt seem to realize that it was addition by subtraction, and Battier and Brooks needed to move on for more talented players to get extra playing time to develop and improve.

    In other words, Adelman's loyalties to his long time players were stunting the growth of younger players. See DD's thread he wrote earlier on Adelman's "Comfort Foods."

    Just on the surface, here are moves that were made that could have caused friction, or new young players that the front office would have liked to see play more.

    -The Battier trade
    -The Brooks trade
    -Jermaine Taylor(playing time)
    -Terrence Williams(Squid, turned out to be a head case all along, but Adelman could have dissaproved of the trade beforehand and caused friction.)
    -Hasheem Thabeet(playing time)

    Those are just some moves in the past year or two that could have cause some strife between front office and coaches. Its all speculation of course, but the comments about him not embracing the "creativity" is really a nice way of saying Adelman was causing a stink about moves being made.

    In all honesty, Im glad that Morey & Les are making bold moves to get better because they realize that it is going to take some experimentation and gambles on some moves in order to get back into contention without tanking for picks.
     
  17. HorryForThree

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    Looking at this team from Les' perspective, the Rockets had the 6th highest payroll in the NBA (according to this site) and the highest scoring offense in the NBA last season, yet they didnt make the playoffs, so its natural that he'd be disappointed.

    If the Rockets arent planning to win big next season- which, objectively, you'd have to say that this team is still 'building' towards something bigger- then why pay the big bucks to RA? Not saying its the smart move, but it is justifiable...
     
  18. tested911

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    I'm really ok with this only because we are stuck in Limbo. Give Adelman the chance to win a championship which I don't see the Rockets ever reaching within the next 2-4 years.

    We need to hit Rock - Bottom so we can at least have the chance at the 1st-5th pick in the draft. We need to trade Scola for Picks , Young Assets, or a combination of the both. Houston isn't an attractive city for tier 1 players. Are best bet is the draft or a tier 2 star who has the potential to be a tier 1 player.

    15 years = Only "once" have we gotten out of the 1st round. (Think about that.. What were you doing 15 years ago)
     
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    Richard Justice was on this morning on 1560(in place of Lance Z). Him and Granato talked some Rockets. Caught some points; read into what you will. fwiw:

    • RJ: Two things Rockets arent happy about with Adelman is 1. the defense. This is what I'm drawing. 2. They're ready to take a step back and play the young players. Want next coach to be on the same page. Hoping against hope to get a Chris Paul. Rick hasnt agreed to many of the trades, especially this year.
    • RJ: They're basically firing him. They may announce it otherwise(a "mutual" agreement)
    • RJ: Les wanted to fire him 2 months(?) ago
    • RJ: Rick was angry about the Rafer trade. (See last point: Basically Rick wanted to go to playoffs or make playoff run/win now and Rick's line of thinking is "You're trading my starting PG?!")
    • Caller called in asking about JVG again and possibility of one of Rick's assistant's taking over for Rick. RJ: First choice is SVG. They think best coach is Pop and 2nd best is SVG. Problem with JVG is he burned too many bridges. A guy like that is what they want though. Asked a couple months ago, was told Les doesnt want Rick or any of his assistants.(back or around) Things could've changed. (Regarding the possiblity of an assistant becoming HC)
    • They think they can do better than Rick Adelman.
    • Les wants...his problem with JVG was wasnt sure if he was a Rocket. It was Jeff and his coaches.(not sure what he means there) Les felt that with Rick, its coach against FO. All need to be Rockets.
    • Granato, from what I can tell, is ok with a coaching change. Caller called in talking about Portland and Roy and Oden being hurt yet are in the playoffs. Gerald Wallace and Marcus Camby popped in there, though dont remember exactly how or why. Granato basically agreed with caller. He looks at Denver, Portland, NO--teams with injuries and got in the playoffs but the Rockets are on the outside looking in
    • RJ: Camby a guy you can add during the season if you're close. They said he wasnt a fit right now.

      [*]RJ: Rick just wants to go to the playoffs. Rafer, Battier deal weakened them. Daryl is looking big picture. Daryl wants to win in the playoffs. Coach wants to win that day. They're making long term moves. Coach is short term. Terrence Williams and Hasheem Thabeet somehow made their way into the conversation, I again forget why but RJ said Williams came with baggage. Thabeet questions about if he can play or not and/or if he wants to play or not.
    Continuing on about Daryl Morey:

    RJ: Jonathan Feigen and I debate how much longer he'll(Daryl Morey) be around or will do this: I say he wont do this much longer. He has other things he wants to do. Jonathan says no. He wants to show his way can win a championship.

    JG: Will he leave under his own terms or will he be asked to leave?

    RJ: He lays out every option for Les. They go over everything. I dont think anyone is safe. Les is pissed. Not like the other owners in town.

    JG: If Adelman is on the hot seat or on the way out, Morey has to be in there too.

    RJ: He has found some value. But he would also be the first to tell you--you're judged by wins.
     
  20. jopatmc

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    Yuck. Not good.

    Les is starting to worry me. I understand the drive to win. He's starting to sound like an NFL owner though. In the NFL, you can turn it around in one season and be fighting for the Super Bowl. In the NBA....just doesn't happen. Unless you clear out your cap, go in the tank, and three of the top 10 players in the NBA sign up to be on your team and play together.
     

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