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Martin to Morey: Treating us like assets gets you nowhere

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Apr 15, 2011.

  1. Shaud

    Shaud Member

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    Actually there situation is different. Perkins was traded unexpectedly. He wasn't even rumored to be traded.
     
  2. b2bizchina

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    It's unfair to blame Morey !
    Did U know any teams where there r not trade rumor?
    Did U know any players who have not trade rumor? (maybe Kobe only)
    Baketball is basletball!
    Business is business!
     
  3. Shaud

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    :confused::confused::confused:
     
  4. abc2007

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    Two problems:

    1st, Morey always talked about trade to media. But, he hasn't been a successful trader. Media and fans are disappointed.

    2nd, Players are not happy to be in trading-assets situation all the time.
     
  5. TheresTheDagger

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    One problem: The team isn't winning. If it was these two problems above wouldn't be problems.
     
  6. Aruba77

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    i agree that morey has to do a better job of striking the right balance between making trades and developing what he has. I also think he needs to reassure his players that they are not just assets, but rather valued commodities :)

    Let me say that i think we need to make some trades to improve, but I would not touch our backcourt. Our front court is another story. But, we can't be trading leaders like Battier for projects like Thabeet. That truly does kill moral.

    I have a hard time sympathizing with players who are making $10 mil a year to play a kid's game crying about being on the trading block. Trades are part of the deal, so he needs to be a professional and just play with who's out there.

    But it is true that after a while the trade talk actually hurts the team, so Morey needs to be conscience of that.
     
  7. RocketDonut

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    Don't you mean

     
  8. csnerd84

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    I think Morey is sometimes too honest in his interviews when he talks about players and trade. He probably should instead use some standard answer (i.e. "we're always looking to improve our team" -- "instead of anyone on the team is available"). May be that will not damage the team morale.
     
  9. pbthunder

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    Does Morey talk to the media too much? Maybe. He should think about that this off-season.

    As for keeping our players and letting them become a team, I see a range of possibilities:

    On one side, we could try to improve through the draft. DM seems to be pretty good at picking players. I can see getting a couple of good players. However, we do have too many players overall, and we could lose a couple of PFs, plus Brad Miller. I think we should get the best defensive center and 2-4 defensive specialist we can for these players, plus another draft pick.

    On the other side, we might have no untouchables, as long as we bring back value. If we can trade, say, Martin and Lowry for Chris Paul, we do it. Martin is a pretty decent #2 player, but we need to get that superstar first, then worry about the #2 player.
     
  10. Angkor Wat

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    I don't think they should let all that trade talk get to them. They are professionals. They're suppose to be able to separate that stuff apart. You get paid millions to ball, you better not rumors affect your performance or you'll be getting traded.
     
  11. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    So basically there are people who want Morey to Bull**** us when he does interviews?

    Then when he says he like the team as constructed and doesn't see any reason for moves we will say he's stupid?

    I love that Morey is honest and we all know that this team needs changes to become a contender. No one is untouchable and NBA GM's know that too. Martin just needs to do what basketball players do....play basketball.
     
  12. abc2007

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    The two problems play a big role in why the team isn't winning
     
  13. Carl Herrera

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    Of course this team has holes, even Kevin Martin said the team needs a big C. They should pursue one and it looks like they got the cap room to do it (depending on the new CBA).
    I am not saying no moves at all, just they should think hard about moving members of the current rotation because there is a cost associated with making this kind of change. Specifically it can cause the team to start slow again if they have to figure out chemistry and style of play issue oce more.

    While this team is not "elite" they did end up 11th overall in point differential (adjusted for strength of schedule and pace) and 8th after the trade deadline. They are also a top 5 offense in the league. These numbers suggest you can win 48-50 games a season with this group, perhaps more, if you don't **** with it by replacing too many parts or change the coaching staff and philosphy. 52-55 wins is realistic if you add the right center. If you are in the 50 or more win range or at that pace, attracting additional star talent is much easier.
     
  14. Houston_Rockets

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    People are missing the point.

    People agreeing with Martin don´t believe that this team is a contender as is. We are not saying that this team doesn´t need trades.

    I personally am saying that DM has to keep searching for every single move we can make to get better, but he needs to do it in closed doors. Sooner or later rumors will float around about DM offering player X W Y for superstar A, but all of those will be rumors created by an "unknown" source, it will not be your GM saying that everyone is available.

    We are talking about keeping players focused on the task in hand, and not be distracted by other things. Rumors, trades, uncertainty will always exist, but there is a difference between it being generated by sources or your own GM.

    Keep being an active GM, but learn how to be less media friendly.

    And finally....

    Ignorant post, IMO.

    What your saying is, treat the role players like crap, because only superstars are untouchable ....... how do you get superstars then???

    Good luck trying to trade for a superstar if your role players don´t overachieve and step their game up to another level.

    PeAcE
     
  15. blink

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    I've been saying this since the frackin start. And ppl wonder why tmac or brooks were so upset with their situation. It doesn't excuse them for their actions but your boss sets the tone in the work environment and it trickles down to the employees... moreys doing it wrong

    But apparently morey is a wizard and can do no wrong according to this board.
     
  16. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    How do you get Superstar? You draft them or you trade draft picks for them. We just saw that you can't trade overachieving role players for All-Stars this year.
     
  17. blink

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    People wanted tmac to bull**** instead of being honest so it wouldn't affect the team (see: his lakers prediction)

    Why can't the same apply to morey? If anything, his words affect the team more than tmac or any one player ever could
     
  18. Don FakeFan

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    Agree with Martin.

    NBA is not all about business. NBA players are not only assets.
     
  19. john_l

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    See Jazz, Utah and Williams, Deron.
     
  20. Nook

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    CH... that is not all on Morey, the media made a big deal out of "trading". Because of the injuries, and assets the Rockets had available, many times the media assumed that the Rockets would make a lot of trades.

    Having said that, for as good as Morey is (top 3 in the NBA), he does have too much of a gambler reputation, and honestly can be too honest about his efforts to improve the team. You don't see SA and OKC discussing the prospect of trades.

    Still... something to keep in mind... the Lowery deal came out of nowhere, same with the Artest deal... so I dont know how much of it is on Morey.
     

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