UN document would give 'Mother Earth' same rights as humans

Based on this statement, you must agree that climate change is a major impending problem since all of the people with credentials in the field of climatology pretty much agree while people without credentials (politicians and oil industry spokespeople) don't.

 

you like the message but not the messenger?

 

Well, any moment Mother Earth could wipe us all off the face of the planet in a million different ways. So I think, there is no need for an arbitrary agent to represent nature itself. Something tells me that if we screw up this planet badly enough, nature has its ways of "balancing" things. Let's hope it never comes to light. Plus, who is going to represent Mother Earth on an international level? The U.N. bureaucracy is corrupt and dysfunctional.

 

I did include the caveat "with credentials in climatology". That caveat was based on your objection to people without credentials commenting about things about which they have no knowledge.

 

Don't you realize the only credential he cares about is that they come to the same conclusion as him?

 

A meteorologist is someone who studies weather, not climate.

No, it's like he is amplifying my point that you don't know the difference between climatology and meteorology.

Included in your list of "climate-change experts" were...

Dr. Ross McKitrick, associate professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph, Ont.

Dr. Andreas Prokoph, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa; consultant in statistics and geology

Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc. (Meteorology), fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, Canadian member and past chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa

Dr. Christopher Essex, professor of applied mathematics and associate director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont

Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Dept. of Mathematical Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research Group, University of Alberta

Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.

Dr. David E. Wojick, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Va., and Sioux Lookout, Ont.

Dr. Douglas Leahey, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary

Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist, chemist, Cobourg, Ont.

Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Dr. Freeman J. Dyson, emeritus professor of physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.

Mr. George Taylor, Dept. of Meteorology, Oregon State University; Oregon State climatologist; past president, American Association of State Climatologists

Dr. Ian Plimer, professor of geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide; emeritus professor of earth sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia

Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute

Dr. Al Pekarek, associate professor of geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minn.

Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, Unit of Insects and Infectious Diseases, Paris, France. Expert reviewer, IPCC Working group II, chapter 8 (human health)

Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, physicist and chairman, Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland

Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, reader, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, U.K.; editor, Energy & Environment

Dr. Hans H.J. Labohm, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations) and an economist who has focused on climate change

Dr. Lee C. Gerhard, senior scientist emeritus, University of Kansas, past director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey

Dr. Asmunn Moene, past head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway

Dr. August H. Auer, past professor of atmospheric science, University of Wyoming; previously chief meteorologist, Meteorological Service (MetService) of New Zealand

Dr. Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics, University of Connecticut

Dr Benny Peiser, professor of social anthropology, Faculty of Science, Liverpool John Moores University, U.K.

Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial College London, U.K.

Dr. William J.R. Alexander, professor emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa. Member, United Nations Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000

Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, emeritus professor of planetary geology and isotope geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences; past president of the Royal Netherlands Geological & Mining Society

Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey professor of energy conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University

Dr. Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist and climate researcher, Boston, Mass.

Douglas Hoyt, senior scientist at Raytheon (retired) and co-author of the book The Role of the Sun in Climate Change; previously with NCAR, NOAA, and the World Radiation Center, Davos, Switzerland

Dr. Boris Winterhalter, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland

Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden

Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, physicist/meteorologist, previously with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Calif.; atmospheric consultant.

Dr. Art Robinson, founder, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Cave Junction, Ore.

Dr. Arthur Rorsch, emeritus professor of molecular genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands; past board member, Netherlands organization for applied research (TNO) in environmental, food and public health

Dr. Alister McFarquhar, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.; international economist

...none of whom are climatologists. This stands in stark contrast to what climatologists have been saying and...

No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.[2][3] Some other organizations, primarily those focusing on geology, also hold non-committal positions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

When discussing climate change, I will take the word of every scientific body with international standing on the topic of climatology over the word of scientists whose studies have been funded by the petroleum industry any day of the week.

 

is he a climatologist?

 

Why do you oppose recycling?

You do realize that for things like glass, aluminum and steel it is cheaper to recycle them and they can be recycled practically endlessly than it is to create new ones. Most material in cars these days are made with recycled materials.

 

Both. It is financially cheaper to recycle those things than mine the raw materials and process them into forms usable. The energy investment is tied to to the financial cost as it cost money to provide the energy to do so.

 

Why the hell would one be against recycling?

Is it just because Democrats(and wackjob evironmentalists) in general are for it?

I dont see a problem with recycling, it isnt that hard to do and it surely doesnt cost the gov anything...and common sense says that reusing already manufactured plastics and paper is just a smart thing to do compared to manufacturing new packaging from raw materials. There is only so much raw materials out there, if we can use stuff that is already made to make new packaging, why would any sensible person be against this?

 

Too bad Mother earth didn't have rights.... she could have sued BP for rape

 

Gaia theory actually makes a lot of sense if you think about it.

Just has the human body has free acting cells and organelles that constitute a living entity, the Earth might also. It's just a matter of where you choose your point of perspective. What actually defines a living entity? Autopoiesis?

"Humanity's exploration of space, its interest in colonizing and even terraforming other planets, lends some plausibility to the idea that Gaia might in effect be able to reproduce."