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Sharia Law in Indonesia: Woman whipped for having an affair

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Apr 10, 2011.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Medieval justice... in the 21st Century: Woman caned in front of a baying mob for having an affair

    A woman flinches as she is about to be repeatedly caned for having an extramarital affair.

    Irdayanti Mukhtar, 34, received nine lashes by Sharia Police for having a relationship with another man, even though she is said to be in the process of divorcing her husband.

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    Brutal: An Indonesian official prepares to whip Irdavanti Mukhtar as another announces to the crowd what her punishment she will receive

    The harsh punishment was meted out in front of a crowd of 200 people outside the Al Munawwarah Mosque in Jantho, Indonesia.

    The jeering crowd recorded the brutal beating on their mobile phones and camcorders and shouted for more beatings in the strict Muslim city.

    Mukhtar had been sentenced to the punishment the previous day by a Sharia court where prosecutors said that she was guilty of being in 'close proximity' to another man.

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    Sharia Officials carry Mukhtar who collapsed after the caning to a local hospital

    Under Sharia law the offence carries a maximum beating of nine strokes with a cane or a minimum of three.

    Neighbours had seen Mukhtar with the man and had barged in on her while the couple were in her bedroom, although it is unclear what they were actually doing.

    The mob then dragged them to the local police station to be charged.

    It is believed Sharia Police are also investigating a claim that Mukhtar was molested by the crowd before they took her to be charged.

    Shortly after the caning on Friday Mukhtar passed out and had to be taken to hospital for treatment.

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    The jeering crowd take pictures and record Mukhtar being taken off the platform after she was whipped by Sharia police

    She was one of four people, including the man she was caught with, to be caned for extramarital affairs

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-A-woman-whipped-having-affair.html?ITO=1490#
     
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  2. basso

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    barbarians.
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    Not really sure what is debatable about this.
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    Me neither, but wait and see...
     
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    someone reeeeeeeaaaaaaallllllyyyyyy needs a new hobby.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    Do you have anything to add regarding the topic at hand?
     
  7. Rocketman95

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    yes, the caning is reprehensible. and this thread will turn out exactly like the last 372 started with a similar topic.
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    I don't disagree with you, but that is because those who have no points to make decide to attack the messenger. See: your first post in this thread.
     
  9. DonnyMost

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    So, why post it here?


    Does this mean you're trolling for people to attack you? Or are you trying to find/expose people who defend this type of behavior? Or both?



    If all these types of threads are is a playground for people to come in and have petty little personal arguments that don't really debate or discuss anything, then maybe keeping them all confined into one thread would be a better idea. For organizational purposes, at least.
     
  10. Eric Riley

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    I have ATW on ignore, and it's great. But let me guess - the troll posts an article in which we would agree that the acts committed are reprehensible. And there is nothing really to debate.

    Predictable troll is predictable.

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  11. AroundTheWorld

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    You might not remember this thread by rocketsjudoka. I thought of this thread when I happened to come across this news article. I also remember several posts that defended Sharia law and actually said that it is already in effect in the USA and Europe to some extent. There is also for instance this thread: Muslims seek to supplant Canadian law with Sharia (interestingly, MadMax is the main supporter of this initiative in that thread) and there are similar efforts in some other countries. Thus, I think it is good to point out to what it can lead to allow Sharia law to creep in.

    Agree or disagree - but isn't this what this board is about? :)

    Neither, although at least the first one will happen without a doubt. My rationale is described above. I am opposed to Sharia law and I cite an article (which I randomly came across) that shows what it can lead to to allow Sharia law to creep in.

    And another question: Just because it is predictable that people will try to label me as a troll and try to shout me down (like Eric Riley did above - by the way, to quote Charlie Sheen: "I already have the rep you gave me, dude"), should I let them have their way and stop posting issues worthy of discussion?
     
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    Seeing as how you also have no point to make, and eliciting attacks was your goal, I'd say you don't have a lot of high ground here.

    People attack you because of your agenda/bias against one particular group of people/ethnicity/culture. That rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Probably appears as borderline racism and religious bigotry.

    Ever notice how people don't automatically personally attack me when I criticize muslims or arabs? It's because they (I think) recognize that I try to be objective, and I don't single out people and flood the forum with posts about them in particular, that stuff gets old, especially when the only thing D&D worthy about the thread is the person who started it. That is something basso has perfected, don't be a basso. :(
     
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    OK, your reasoning makes a little more sense now. But it probably would've been a little more productive to preface this thread as couched in this rationale, rather than just "hey everybody, look at this backwards ass culture doing backwards ass things." In other words, might have been better suited to be posted within the Sharia law thread, since this event, in and of itself, isn't really much to debate about.
     
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    My first point is that I am opposed to Sharia law and think it needs to be stopped from spreading into the Western world. My second point is that I disagree with people who try to paint Indonesia as some kind of shining example of a "tolerant" Islamic society (which has happened many times on this forum).

    I have absolutely no agenda/bias against people of a particular ethnicity. Thus, you can forget about the racism allegation. I do have issues with an ideology that manifests itself in events like the one posted in the article.

    I don't single out people and I don't make posts about particular people. I single out reprehensible manifestations of an ideology.
     
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    What Sharia law thread? Is there one stickied "Sharia law thread"? I must have missed it.

    As to whether there is something to debate about this even, why not wait and see? How do you know that there aren't people who would actually try to defend what happened? Or maybe someone can come up with a stringent explanation of why this is not even Sharia law, but a misrepresentation of Sharia law? But maybe that same person can then explain what is being done to prevent such misrepresentations of Sharia law?

    What's with the pre-emptive stifling of debate just because some people will try to launch personal attacks?
     
  16. Eric Riley

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    Ugh. Troll reeled me in. I'll bite, for amusement's sake.

    1. I have NEVER given you rep. Ever.

    2. No, you should not discontinue your trolling. It's great seeing more and more people realize you for what you are. You make it seem like your mission is to point out to people how awful a religion/ideology is and to get others to see your way - that your whole objective is to educate people. Clearly that's not the case. Your bigoted views a) add no new viewpoint after the 50th thread, b) reveal acts of extremism that get slammed by the majority anyway, so there is nothing really to debate, and c) get some posters to become passionate, heated, and defensive (as you're insulting their religion) - and you use that to further your agenda, as you label these posters as fanatics.

    Your shtick is old now.
     
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    I LOL at people like you and SamFisher and NMS who claim to have me on ignore, but are usually the first to respond to my posts.

    Clutch could easily verify that ;).

    What exactly is the "bigoted view" in your opinion? That I oppose canings of women for being "in proximity to a man"? What is bigoted here - my criticism or what I criticize? I think you got it backwards. I am not reporting an isolated act of extremism here, I am reporting something that happened as the law of the land in that region!
     
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    I didn't see what you were trying to debate because you never mentioned it in your thread. I had to ask you what the point was. That probably shouldn't be necessary in the D&D. You can't expect people to read your mind that this is part of some larger, on-going discussion you're having on the merits of Sharia law.

    Once again, based on your initial posts in this thread, it really doesn't seem like you were all that interested in the debate/discussion part of things, and moreso interested in getting people to come flame you.

    If there was some kind of context given, it probably wouldn't come off that way. Just FYI.
     
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    If not to discuss Sharia law and its manifestations, why would I have posted this? To discuss tax laws in the US? :confused:
     
  20. Eric Riley

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    This is my first time doing it :confused: Get over yourself.


    I'm sure he could. Wager - If I have, I disappear forever from CF. If I haven't you disappear from D&D?


    Your bigotry extends over hundreds of posts. This particular thread is certainly not bigoted - if started by another poster. I've said before that many of the topics you've posted are definitely worthy of discussion and should be brought up. But when someone does it for the thousandth time, it reveals that the OP has some sort of agenda. What your agenda is, I would love for you to explain in your own words.
     

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