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Rose's case for MVP?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by t_mac1, Mar 2, 2011.

  1. Steve_Francis_rules

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    You know roughly half the time it will be the opposing team that has the ball for that final possession at the end of the game, right? Who would you rather have on the floor for you when the other team has the ball and a chance to win, Howard or Rose?
     
  2. vlaurelio

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    MVP voters usually start playing replace player A with B if there are two clearly best players from the two clearly best teams.. to break the deadlock..

    because simply replacing players and using stats and imagination, you can't really guarantee any results.

    assuming that ORL is the second best team in the league I'll play replace A and B with you,

    depends on what team I am let's say I'm chicago

    so I have to choose between.

    Noah, Boozer, Deng, Bogans, Rose

    vs

    Howard, Boozer, Deng, Bogans, CJ Watson

    hard-choice.

    depending on the the opponent is. Is it a strong perimeter team or strong in the paint team.

    Let's say against Miami, back-court is more a problem than the front-court.
    plus I remember Rose secured the rebound vs Miami the last time around. Not sure if CJ Watson would have done that.
     
  3. tehG l i d e

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    Or

    rose
    richardson
    hedo
    bass
    orton
     
  4. Steve_Francis_rules

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    That would be a really terrible team defensively. Actually I think the Magic would suck defensively with any player replacing Howard, with the possible exception of Chandler.
     
  5. vlaurelio

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    or with the money that dwight and jameer freed up,

    rose
    richardson
    hedo
    bass
    chandler

    again all these are just what-if..

    historically, when people voted for mvp, did they FIRST ask this?

    who is clearly the best player from the top 2 to 4 teams?

    or what if we replace player A with player B, will team C be better or not?

    I give my props for dwight significantly improving on offense (with the push from the Dream of course).. give him MIP.. but it's too little too late.. the team he has this year was built to provide more offense than defense to offset his offensive deficiencies.. if Howard ended last year with this year's kind of offense, the magic front-office would have concentrated on getting better on defense or at least not risk becoming worse on defense only to be better on offense

    like Rose, he ended last year proving he can carry a team offensively that's why the bulls front office concentrated on getting better on defense than on offense..
     
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  6. t_mac1

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    the additions of boozer (an all-star type player) and korver are pretty damn big.

    they added more offensively than defensively. defense, you just have to credit thibs, or the unheralded emergence of asik.
     
  7. vlaurelio

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    how many games did boozer miss and what was the bulls record at that span?

    bogans+korver=richardson+reddick

    so chicagos' strenght is in its offense not defense?
     
  8. tehG l i d e

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    no but that's what they added the most in terms of players. Their strength is still defense, attributed to Coach Thibs, Deng, Brewer, Asik.
     
  9. tehG l i d e

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    You're adding in other factors like their salary. The MVP is what the player itself is worth in terms of success for this season, not in monetary value. So if you're going to this hyptothetical switch, let's not add in any other players. Replace Rose with Watson and Dwight with Orton..
     
  10. t_mac1

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    no you stated their offseason plans did not emphasize offense as much. but they did. they signed korver and boozer. just b/c they had injuries during the season did not mean they did not try to improve their offense in the offseason. they also tried to sign james/wade/bosh hard.

    their strength is their defense, that's a known fact.

    i'm simply answering your claim that they try to emphasize defense moreso than offense in the offseason, which is untrue.
     
  11. Mr. Space City

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    with this heat loss its a lock for rose now.
     
  12. GreatOne1978

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    Its a wrap folks. The award belongs to Rose
     
  13. lalala902102001

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    I think Bryant would have posed a real challenge to Rose for the MVP award had the Lakers continued their hot streak and got the first place in the west. Now that the Lakers have lost three straight, I don't see anyone challenge Rose any more.

    Dwight is not going to win the MVP simply because of the Magic's record. When was the last time a player not on a top five team (record-wise) win the MVP?

    The MVP is Rose's. Congratulations.
     
  14. t_mac1

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    with kobe surging in the MVP standings during the lakers' winning streak, the MVP winner is basically determined from best player on best team really this year.

    they should implement something similar to the NFL like offensive player of the year or best player of the year or something like that.
     
  15. RV6

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    You know something is wrong with the award when Kobe will only win one his entire career..this year is probably his last opportunity to do it again and Rose is going to take it.
     
  16. tehG l i d e

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    wait what
     
  17. flamingdts

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    I don't see anything wrong with it.

    Kobe Bryant was the best player of the best team in the league for about one season, and he got his MVP accordingly

    Now Gasol is also showing his worth and getting into MVP talks.

    Had Kobe been the best player of one of the best teams in the league for a few seasons, he would have won more.
     
  18. Icehouse

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    I don't see anything wrong with it. He played in the same era as Shaq (who was on his team), Duncan, KG and LeBron.
     
  19. RV6

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    I think you just proved my point. The award doesn't go the most valuable player, period. It goes to the MVP on the best team (or team most likely to win it all). That's what is wrong with it. It's supposed to be a regular season award, but they use a playoff-based prediction to declare a winner.

    Icehouse, TD, KG, and shaq were past their prime when Kobe was in his and deserved MVP consideration. Lebron just recently won it. There's a period in between where kobe was tearing it up and carrying the Lakers. He deserved at least one of Nash's. I'm not saying he should have 5 or 6, the competition is definitely tougher now, but he should be ending his career with at least 2, possibly 3.
     
  20. apollo33

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    No, Kobe doesn't deserve any more than he has now. During the Nash years there was no way he was the MVP.

    You can't prove your value to a team if your team is 8th seed in the conference.
     

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