Florida Pastor Terry Jones Burns Quran After Mock Trial (w/ video)

lol at the irony of this post

 

I like teenage mutant ninja turtles

 

Couldn't agree more with this statement.

 

I don't recall the storming of pakistani embassies and resultant deaths immediately after that video. And there seemed to be a few other matters leading up to the wars (not all of them legit ).

The point being -- Jone's is a nobody -- and that's a hellova lot of power you've granted him by virtue of him having signed up to youtube.

And besides, you can't hold a whole country responsible for the behavior of a sick twisted individual. And when you do, you've blamed the whole system of rights and freedoms. And if the whole system of rights and freedoms is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our democratic society in general? I put it to you, Adeel- isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can say whatever you want to me, but I'm not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

 

There are tons of videos of Muslims burning bibles, US Flags, etc. Hell the next middle eastern person I see on the road I'm going to run him over because some random idiot a few thousand miles burned something. Makes a lot of sense huh?

The murderes are completely responsible for their actions and there is no justification. If you can justify innocent people being murdered or even try to justify it by saying it was cause and effect then you have completely lost whatever respect you had left on this board.

 

Jones is a nobody, I know that, you know that, every educated Muslim knows that. However an ignorant fruit vendor in Afghanistan doesn't know that. To him, Jones is a big time Priest in America that teaches hate to his people. The same people that then join the military and shoot their family.

Agreed, Absolutely agree. Would love to see you say that in the next anti Islam thread by ATW. That the whole country, or religion can't be held responsible for the behavior of a sick twisted individual.

Maybe more an indictment of the morality/decency of the society...

No one is badmouthing the United States. I am just as much of an American as you are. Questioning the actions of our Country does not make one unpatriotic. Rather the blind support of every atrocity your country commits is
disgusting.

 

Part 1 (murder) is legal responsibility.

Part 2 (inciting hatred) is not legal responsibility. It's just basically describing a situation where Terry Jones does something which can be defined as hate speech.

Declaring your hatred is also protected by freedom of speech, so you can't really stop someone from hating.

So you could have a situation where no one breaks the law, but one party has generated a gigantic amount of tension within the country which destabilizes it. This would be an exceptional circumstance though. As an innocent bystander, I don't want the hatred between different groups especially unrelated to me in my country to reduce the quality of my life (checkpoints, extra surveillance, tribal mentality in politics, schools, corporate world, etc). Even if both other parties were acting within the law, they could affect my life and create a cost for the government which I would end up paying for.

As a country, you don't want a situation where people hate each other, it's generally not good. Different countries have different ways of dealing with it. Germany for example has made hate speech and holocaust denial illegal. I think in the US it's illegal to burn an American flag. Some countries don't care and would rather be reactive than pro-active (wait for a crime to occur and address the situation).

Personally I say give people freedom and enforce equality and they will learn how to live with each other. If you try to put rules in place, it gets too messy and the lines will always be blurry, and for human authorities, blurry lines are our favorite place to instill our own biases.

 

Heck no, it doesn't make a lot of sense, that is what we are all saying. IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE.

But if you knew that by burning a book your teacher gave you, she would go ape **** and go kill her husband, then you damn well wouldn't burn that book.

If you continued to go on and burn that book, then that would mean that you are an insensitive jerk that meant harm to your teacher, to her husband, and are partially to blame for her actions.

Read the whole thread, no one is justifying the murders, no one is saying that the murderers are not responsible.

 

I'm on a mission from God, Adeel.

 

Wow that was a surprise cause u traveled a lot the last profession I would guess you work in is law since you have to know the laws and language of any country you work in

# just curious are you German or American

Anyway i am not saying that what he did is illegal but i am saying no law should protect this kind of behavior this my opinion not what I think is a fact .. And I am not defending the killing of those innocent UN works all who committed those crimes should be held accountable
Thanks for emotional support I really appreciate it really helps more than anybody's who's not in the situation thinks

 

I haven't worked as a lawyer in ten years, but I still remember a bit . My travel has been mainly just touristic in the last year or so.

German

I did watch the video you posted. I sincerely hope that things will change for the better in your country. At least you seem to have free access to the internet.

As to the free speech thing: You are of course entitled to that opinion. But the reason why - generally speaking - it is better to err on the side of allowing "too much" speech, even highly offensive speech, is that otherwise it is too easy for those in control to determine something as not protected by the law because it is [insert random excuse here]. In fact, that is a typical characteristic of many dictatorships.

Also, I think much more anger should be directed toward the hate preachers in Afghanistan - apparently, the incidents occurred right after the people came out of the Friday prayers - not a coincidence, no?

 

No, it's not. It is a protected form of free speech. As it should be.

And yes, I find it offensive.

 

Well if a bunch a people from the other side of the earth burned an American flag, would you go locally to find someone affiliated in some obscure way to murder a bunch of them? Guess what? That's completely normal! It wont be your fault, it will be the people that burned the flag's fault for inciting you. No guilt or nothing - it's clearly always someone else's fault - they caused it those westerners!!!!!! .... opps that one slipped, I mean those "flag burners" in our case.

 

So it comes down to what one personally interprets as a threat?

 

I 100% agree they should its no coincidence

 

I've never seen anyone respond point by point to try to refute an Animal House reference, but that was fun.

 

Not it means my teacher is completely nuts and needs to be locked up or have her beliefs evaluated

 

Well done. Perfect response to an all-too-typical nonsensical "justification". This thread is like a giant repeat of the "cartoonist" threads where the same group of folks made similar claims to support free speech while simultaneously refusing to hold the correct people responsible for violence done on account of it. The cognitive dissonance on display is just plain mind-boggling.

 

What Justification? Do you enjoy making scenarios in your head that don't really exist? No one has justified the killings.

 

Fine, lets say she does need to be locked up, but according to the current laws (in Afghanistan), you can not lock her up. In that scenario, you would be sharing the blame.

Case Closed.