Florida Pastor Terry Jones Burns Quran After Mock Trial (w/ video)

I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that according to US law, it is your problem as well.

 

Again, no one is justifying the killing of random people, either directly or indirectly. I don't think you are quite understanding the cause and effect of events that is trying to be portrayed here.

 

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in which you stated burning a WTC replica was a threat that sends a completely different message than burning a holy book.

The reality is both actions are shrouded in ignorance and only display intolerance. Both can be considered incitement (except you don't know what incitement is).

 

You are part of the ignorant bigots of the BBS. I guess it's just your German genes.

 

exactly, according to US Law. Law is ever changing, and ever evolving. To state that some ethically heinous act is not incorrect simply because it is legal, is a completely horrible way to discuss the topic.

 

If you blame the pastor in any way, you remove some of the responsibility from the murderers.

This is a logical impasse for you, and not negotiable for me.

So, we'll just have to leave it here for now.

 

Seems like a great way to discuss it to me. (most of) The US laws rock. Freedom kicks ass.

 

How is it hypocrisy to point out that two different actions can convey two different meanings?

Like with my effigy example, for instance.

As for incitement...

In English criminal law, incitement was an anticipatory common law offence and was the act of persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening so as to cause another to commit a crime.

Now that you know what incitement is, tell me, did Pastor Jones persuade (no), encourage (no), instigate (no), pressure (no), or threaten (no) them into killing those random people?

(The answer is no)

But obviously you're going to say he instigated it. Which even if he *did* instigate it (cough cough there's about 10 million other prior reasons they did what they did that have nothin to do with jones cough cough), that it wouldn't matter unless killing random people is a reasonable/justifiable response to his burning a book. Which we all know that it isn't. Therefore, his "instigation" doesn't carry any responsibility or guilt with it.

I know you're going to disagree with me and throw out another insult, so this will be my last response to you. At least adeel is trying to have an adult conversation.

 

It must be a pretty fragile group if it can be 'incited' to murder by any random idiot with a youtube account.

 

No, you assume we are taking away responsibility from the murderers. You fail to realize that the murderers are responsible for their actions whereas the pastor is responsible for inciting the murderers. Just because you are incapable of conceiving something so simple does not mean it has no possibility of being true.

 

Right (most of )

 

They are the same action... Burning something. You are burning two different things, but the action will still be burning.

They both convey intolerance.

 

Yes, like the PATRIOT ACT. That's the best law in America. I don't have any civil rights because I am a Muslim. Being Muslim makes me a potential enemy combatant, which means my rights are suspended when detained.

 

Wasn't the whole United States incited to 2 wars by a random video/image of idiots with a camera?


http://internetscofflaw.com/2008/04...ms-palestinian-911-celebration-video-is-fake/

If I am not mistaken, and I am not, that celebration video is to this day used as justification to the wars, the atrocities, the crimes in the Middle East.

 

Once again, this changes the rightness/wrongness of the matter at hand, how?

Playing the "but so-and-so does it too" game isn't very productive.

 

It doesn't, it was a response to an idiotic, irrelevant post by bnb.

 

Eh, you disagree that people who committed random murders over a youtube video aren't overly sensitive?

 

Do you agree that people who start wars based on random images and videos is overly aggressive?

 

What does this have to do with the OP?

Do you like turtles?

 

Yes, They are pretty cool, now answer my question.