Florida Pastor Terry Jones Burns Quran After Mock Trial (w/ video)

How is it treated differently under the law? I see no legal responsibility of the guy. If he is not legally responsible, how is his action treated differently? Please try to explain. You should be able to. At least try if you throw out statements like that.

 

Do you have any examples of where burning a book has been considered hate speech in the US?

 

"The way this clown does" is the tricky part.

Maybe if he went to some Muslim's house and had a koran bonfire in their yard.

I'm not sure where the law draws those lines, so we'll just have to wonder for now.

 

If he "incited" the violence, that means that he, in a way, provided some sort of reasonable justification or method for it to happen.

That means, obviously, that his burning of a book gave some reasonable cause for the murders to happen.

Otherwise, he wouldn't be liable for "inciting" it.

 

No, it does not mean that in any way. Learn what incitement is before making such ridiculous statements.

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Now can you grasp it?

 

According to the article (and other reports) the mob was incited by a sermon in an Afghanistan mosque.

This 'pastor' Jones is a nobody. He has kind of sketchy 'pastorial' credentials, not much of a following, in an insignificant church of less than 50 people in Florida. He's been condemned by everyone from President Obama, NATO, foreign nations and organizations and even Sarah Palin. He was dismissed from a church in Germany because he "didn't project the biblical values and Christianity." (all this from wiki). He's really less than a nothing. But he has a youtube account.

Yet some scholar in Afghanistan thought it appropriate to devote a sermon to his stunt. A book burning. And this incited the riots -- complete with flag burning ('cause we love us some irony), and killings ('cause one dose of irony is never enough).

So who's the inciter here? A moron who films the most tired and overdone stunt to the disinterest of just about everyone, or the religious leader who uses that stunt to rile up the lunatics thousands of miles away?

 

Exactly bnb. The true hate preacher is the Imam in that mosque in Afghanistan - people came out of the "Friday prayers" and started murdering innocent people. Now THAT is incitement to murder. Some wacko burning a book somewhere in America is not.

 

The pastor's an *******, and being an ******* might very well get you a punch in the nose, but being an ******* does not and should not qualify you or anyone else, for murder. For those of you saying it does, let's go over what we've learned with re: to Fanatical Islam:
- Do not be friendly with people Muslims don't like, i.e. Jews, or they'll kill you.
- Do not, even while in another country, make a political cartoon criticizing Muslim violence and extremism, or they'll kill you in a violent, extreme fashion.
- Do not burn a book they like, or they'll want to kill you, but in the meantime, killing other people will suffice.

Jesus effing CHRIST.

The murderers here, the riots and death threats in Denmark, and the people who defend or otherwise attempt to justify their actions are all acting like a bunch of damn 5-year-olds throwing a temper tantrum because they can't get their way on the playground.

And it's f***ing sad.

Well said.

Also well said.

 

If I yell "fire" in a crowded room, I am providing a way (don't get tripped up by semantics, when I say "means", "way", "justification", all that is doing is saying that it is reasonable to expect a certain outcome) that people will end up panicking, getting trampled, or possibly killed. I am "inciting" that panick, and also am liable for what happens due to that panic. I am responsible.

Does burning a book provide somebody with reasonable justification/cause to kill somebody? If so, then yes, I am liable. If not, then I'm not liable.

Simple as that.

Yes, I grasp your faulty logic. I never *didn't* understand it. I've just always seen that it was incorrect.

Now, looking back at this giant wall of text (and another statement about how "ridiculous", "r****ded", "stupid", etc my post was) do you grasp why everybody here thinks you're acting like an immature ass?

 

Are Hydhypedplaya, trustme and adeelsiddiqui Wahhabis? Or why are they so fanatic?

 

I don't believe Sam knows this to be true.

 

Idk but I just want to portray how hateful these arseholes are. This masjid is named after the Prophet's grand daughter. Pics are included in the link.

http://abna.co/data.asp?lang=3&id=234548

 

Wow, they burned the Quran? Where was the outrage...in Afghanistan and elsewhere...?

 

I am kind of shocked by how clueless about the law Sam's posts sound. He is like "I guess"..."I don't know"...then he goes on to make false assumptions about how this is supposedly hate speech...

Well, good thing his livelihood doesn't depend on understanding law.

Oh wait...

 

No, I am not. I am curious though what Muslim denomination you belong to...do you prefer to keep it a secret or can you share?

 

I haven't read this entire thread yet, but this lunatic pastor definitely cannot, and should not, be held liable for any criminal actions in regards to the killing that happened halfway around the world.

 

i see many just trying to make excuses for this kind of behavior and trying to pin the blame on others - that is the opposite of policing their own or taking accountability.

i agree with everything you say here - those are all very legitimate issues to take with our government, whose foreign policy has been that of overthrowing democratically elected regimes, supporting brutal dictators and terrorism in the middle east and latin america. it is shameful and ill be one of the first to say so.

but none of that has anything to do w/ some yahoo burning a book.

but you are trying to blame others for what they did.

"as immoral as the pastor"??? are you really comparing burning one book to murdering eight people?

i am defending his right to be a moron. personally i have no interest in burning any books, but if others want to i say "go for it".

 

i don't know, the operative issue is to find a municipality that prosecuted this (or otherwise brought force of law against it) then test it before the courts.

Do you have any examples of this happening, Big Jexxx?