Florida Pastor Terry Jones Burns Quran After Mock Trial (w/ video)

That's what I said in the first line of the post you quoted.

But those lives are lost regardless who's fault it is.

 

He never said it was justified. Learn how to read comprehensively.

The pastor SHOULD have known better. Even General Petraeus made a statement telling the pastor his actions will have consequences that could end up putting people at risk. This is the guy who basically created modern counter-terrorism. The pastor did something with the knowledge that innocent lives could be taken. The fact that he feels no guilt or responsibility only shows how immoral of a person he is.

 

And then you followed it up with a bunch of weird internet babble.

 

These Islamist fanatics will use any reason for their "outrage". If it is not some wacko pastor burning a Quran, it will be something else. Stop trying to pretend he is the one responsible for the killings. The ones responsible are the murderers and the ideology they believe in.

 

It's not weird for me to mourn the lives lost as a result of the shooting. But I understand how that's not your main concern in these things.

 

It's weird for you to say this:

They didn't die because someone burned a book. They died because of the fanatism and hate of those who killed them. You are making it sound like these two are equal causes. They are not. No rational person would behead someone because someone else burned a book on the other side of the world. I repeat, there is no causation between him burning the book and the murders. The responsibility and the causation is 100 % with the murderers and the ideology behind them.

 

They prove his case, no?

 

Of course they are responsible. But we are talking about real people dying. This isn't a game or a logic exercise. If you had the chance to prevent the loss of life by not doing an action (even if the basis of said action was ridiculous) I'm sure you would do it.

It doesnt matter what the rationale is. It was clear a bunch of crazy maniacs were going to do some terrible things in retaliation to burning the quran and I'm with you in that the responsibility is on them but everyone knew something like this might happen.

This is not a question of logic. Real people died as a result of the reaction to this and while the reaction was absurd, Terry Jones knew it might happen. I just find it unfair to those that died.

No one is condoning the response but the idea that even though Terry Jones knew this might happen its ok because its all on the attackers is ridiculous. If you knew an action would save lives you would do it and Terry Jones did the opposite.

 

No I think you are misreading the post. To clarify again, I'm not equating the two. I'm not saying that the book burning is to blame. I'm saying the murderers are responsible.

I'm saying people died who had nothing to do with any of it, and those lives are lost regardless of who's fault it is.

I would feel bad if I was Terry Jones though. While ideally we don't want anyone's safety to be at risk, it would've been nice if he offered his own safety rather than the safety of others when deciding that it's so important to express this particular thought at this particular time. But that's beyond his control, and that was his decision to take.

 

1) Dude somewhere craps on a religion

2) Followers of that religion, several thousand miles away, kill people (because they're white... american... smell funny?) that they assume to be associated with Dude, a person whom they're not even sure exists

3) BBS posters blame Dude for deaths

4) Donny loses a little more faith in the reasoning capabilities of mankind


Seriously, I'm starting to think some of you guys are borderline lunatics with seriously messed up priorities and values. Please abstain from ever taking part in jury duty.

 

5) and some people still have reading comprehension issues.

 

Everyone knows that if it is not that, they will find another reason to do it. If it's not some wacko burning a book, it's someone drawing a cartoon. Or...or...or...see my previous post.

He is an attention w****, but he did exercise his 1st amendment rights. The threat of extremists cannot curtail our 1st amendment rights. You can say he is a ridiculous attention w**** or a douche bag, but legally, he has done nothing wrong. And if he wanted to prove a point, unfortunately it was proven. Sadly, this happened at the expense of innocent people, but the blame for this lies squarely on the shoulders of the maniacs and their ideology.

 

At this point, I can only assume any vague snipe you post in a religion thread is aimed at me, because they usually are.

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The people who did this are fanatical extremist who are messed up in the head. Pastor Jones is a fanatical extremist who is messed up in his head. He didn't kill anyone though and what he did is his right. It was still very very irresponsible of him to do so.

 

right...

not a reflection of islam, a few rouge extremists, religion of peace...blah blah blah.

 

Don't confuse being an idealist with being a murderer. They're pretty different.

 

I don't think they are messed up in the head. They probably have no jobs, no education, probably no opportunities for economic mobility due to the above mentioned reasons. They are pissed off and some cleric is like well if you go blow up this building or do this you will be rewarded in the next life what do they have to lose. I mean they have such crappy lives what does it matter to them if they go do something crazy. At least this gives them some hope they will rewarded in some afterlife.

i don't think terry jones is reason they did what they did, but it gave them an excuse to do it, but it is just probably pent up anger of their situation.

Pearl harbor was not the reason America entered WW2, but it provided justification.

 

people whose names start with the letter "T" are an insult to my god. your name offends me so deeply that i am going to go out and murder the next 10 people i see...AND IT WILL BE ALL YOUR FAULT BECAUSE YOU PROVOKED ME INTO IT!

curtailing our first amendment rights is succumbing to their agenda. you cant allow the actions of stupid, brainwashed little b****es on the other side of the world be used to curtail our freedoms here.

why dont you blame their imams and the afghan media for "provoking" them too? hell, their imams were probably the ones who told them to go commit acts of murder on innocents - they had just come out of friday prayers, right? im a non-practicing catholic, but when i do go to mass i know when i walk out of church i have a burning desire to go kill innocent people.

 

Yes, you are and you do this in every religious discussion involving Islam and violence.

You qualify your answer over and over and indeed blame the Quran burning for the murders. Same thing happened with cartoon. Same thing happened with the rape of the hotel employee... etc. etc.

 

look what i just made yallz! it took me like 3 hours to do those flames.

and if anyone is murdered by muslim extremists today i will feel absolutely no guilt or responsibility...sorry.



i did this in microsoft paint so maybe the muslim extremists should put a jihad on bill gates!