18 Blacks allegedly gang rape an 11 year old Hispanic girl, igniting racial flames

Pretty much sums it up. The adults involved should have known better (don't feel any sympathy for future sex offenders for life).

 

Are we sure this isn't Little Lupe?

 

What screwed up stuffs are you talking about? Would you please give examples?

 

I'm gonna say one last thing about this issue of "willing". we can sit here and say "it doesn't matter" and these guys need to be put under the jail. that's fine I don't disagree the older men espically need harsh sentences for this.

but we shouldn't ignore that young girls in this country and world are influenced by the sex on television and the internet. that's an issue. i remember someone posted a thread on this site that young girls thought giving head was okay because they felt they still remained a virgin. i mean that's ridiculous. i'm not blaming this girl for what happened, but her mindset should not be ignored. that's burying your head in the sand.

 

It might be an issue, but it has zero to do with this case, and constantly bringing it up in the discussion of this case just shows that you have things mixed up in your head. Statutory rape - of an 11 year old girl - is rape. Period. It does not matter what the girl saw on TV or the Internet or what she thought she was consenting to.

 

it does matter because it looks like she put herself in this position to be taken advantage of

 

No it does not. It's amazing that you would not get that into your head.

 

i've given my reason it matters, instead of refuting you just say put it in my head it doesn't. typical

 

Dude, just stop -- there is absolutely no justification for this.

 

nobody's justifying, dude just stop saying that

 

Okay 1st off she's 11...End of story...I dont care what position she puts herself in , she's eleven mane!!...Your logic of justification is somewhat disturbing...I know you dont mean how you say it though , so I'll back off a lil....But nothing is remotely justifying about it being an 11 year old...My daughter is 10 ...and I'll literally walk myself to jail after I finish with those 18 adults

 

and i bet your daughter wouldn't be in anywhere of a position for this to happen.

nobody's justifying anything.

edit: the issue of this girl being sexually active isn't one to be addressed by the court
it is to be addressed socially

 

Ok, I'll try to explain, although it has already been explained to you:

Since she cannot consent legally to sexual acts, whatever her motivation is and whatever the influences on her were is completely irrelevant to the crime here. Her mental state of mind changes absolutely nothing about the responsibility of the adults under criminal law. Rape is non-consensual sex. As minors cannot consent, having sex with them is - automatically, by law - rape, called "statutory rape". It does not matter if they have seen a million pornos, if they willingly tattooed on their forehead "I want sex", if they signed a contract that they wanted sex - they cannot consent. It might be a grey area to some extent when they are older and closer to the age of consent (which differs from jurisdiction to jurisdiction), but with an 11 year old girl, it is as clear-cut as it can possibly be. I cannot think of any respectable jurisdiction in which this would be viewed differently.

You are confusing two issues: The societal issue of sexual influences on minors through TV and internet, which you regard as harmful and of course you are entitled to this opinion, and this case. These are two separate discussions, but you constantly using this case to bring up the societal issue - and somewhat awkwardly implying that it is in some way relevant to the degree of responsibility under criminal law of the perpetrators - is disturbing.

To your benefit, I will assume that it is an honest mistake.

I hope this helps.

 

i haven't confused them, i've said all along it doesn't matter in the case, i've said that an 11 year girl being sexually active shouldn't be ignored. yes, they are two separate issually that unfortunately converged here. well i'm assuming

 

And that is wrong as well. It can possibly play a small role in determining the severity of the sentence, but it has no bearing on the fact that this is statutory rape.

 

NO ONE IS SAYING IT HAS ANY BEARING ON THE SENTENCE OR THE CASE OR THE JUDGEMENT

 

Then why do you bring it up?

 

I know what you're saying. Your talking about a whole other debate about teen sexuality. This is probably just not the right forum for that since many people will read it as a rationalization.

I think you're right that the sexualization of media and the ubiquity of p*rnography probably contributed to the waywardness of this girl (and the waywardness of her attackers as well). But I wouldn't give it too much credit either.

Most girls do not choose to engage in this behavior with the same media barrage. There must be something personal that makes this girl particularly vulnerable -- genes, past experiences, family, or something. Neither am I saying her experience is unique -- how many girls are engaged in risky/demeaning sexual practices at a young age? There are thousands of examples. This one just seems like a particularly egregious example, and I wouldn't be surprised if the trouble didn't start with some kind of victimization in her own personal history. But, we won't know.

And, in case anyone has confused the above with a rationalization, I still want all those guys in prison for the next couple of decades. No mercy, no mitigating factors, just rotting in prison. Is that clear enough?

 

i'll just agree with juan that its probably the wrong subject to bring it up in. but just because i brought it up here doesn't mean you have to extropolate that into me justifying what happened.

 

If she gave consent than I think the only people who shouldn't go to jail is the kid/kids that are in middle school.


I don't understand how people don't get what Pgabriel is saying. He's not saying these guys should not be punished. He's saying there is an issue on young preteen girls being very sexually active which is the case these days.