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Will the Rockets hire a "Daryl Morey" to succeed Adelman?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Mar 28, 2011.

  1. LongTimeFan

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    I have no idea what you're trying to say. Morey IS a "moneyball" type of GM. Les Alexander picked him because his resume/tactics were decidedly different from the norm (CD). The two threads are asking the exact same thing.
     
  2. LosPollosHermanos

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    as of now, thats where everything stands. I don't want to imagine the absurdity of letting him go unless unless we perform inception or some kind of crap on PJ .
     
  3. Amel

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    I am against getting rid of Adelman, but I think this could actually work.

    It would bring in new fans, revenue through different channels and a lot of media coverage.

    After the Yao and TMac era this could be a good fresh start with a young new team and coach.
     
  4. larsv8

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    I disagree, I think this is the fresh start.

    Our roster, as assembled, is pretty much running Adelmans offense to the T. It really is beautiful to watch if you ask me.

    I think we should stay the course, but try to find a difference maker defensively at C. Bogut/Chandler/Howard/Varejao.....any of these. Heck I would even take a shot on Dalembert if it comes cheap.

    Our offense seriously looks so clean, we just have to find a way to stop people from scoring. Id like to see Scola moved (traded or maybe even just to the bench), Hayes back at PF and a true center brought in.

    But thats just me.
     
  5. sammy

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    I've been saying that it's foolish for Adelman to step away or for us to go into a new direction right when Mcgrady and Yao are FINALLY off the books.
     
  6. CXbby

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    On Brad Steven's coaching style:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Stevens

    I like Adelman, and clearly he is a great coach. One of the greatest. But Morey has always said that every move the Rockets make has to facilitate us towards a championship. While Adelman is probably better than any replacement we can find, his own timeline simply does not match the Rockets, who are a few years away from realistically contending. He may be able to squeeze out the maximum amount of wins for the next couple of years, but that will not help us if he is retired when we are finally ready to go all the way. In fact it may impede us when we have to inevitably retool again for the new coach/system.

    If we hire a new coach, IMO 98% of it will be because of that.

    The other 2% is mention by OMR where Adelman may not always be that responsive to the data Morey and Co. provides him. It is not that big of a deal because Adelman wins, and he wins his way. He has years of experience and his success has reinforced him to do it only his way. Which generally is just fine. The only slight problem is the Rockets do spend a lot of resources to generate the information that they themselves view as beneficial to winning. For that to be consistently ignored would be a waste.

    Again, that wouldn't be an issue at all as long as Adelman wins. And is only a small(2%) issue now given our disparate timelines.

    As for Brad Stevens, I am equally as intrigued as when we first hired Morey. Since I have full faith in Morey by now, I do have somewhat of a bias towards Stevens who seems to be from that same school of fish. It definitely would be interesting to see what he can do with a team that invests as heavily on advanced stats as the Rockets do. It would also be interesting to see what Morey can do with a coach that would fully utilize his schtick.
     
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  7. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    The team will still keep it's Offensive magic if Rick leaves.

    The team did the same with the defense after JGV left. You can't un-teach the offense because our player know how it works already. WE NEED a coach that can help our defense and a couple of defensive starters. Mainly Center and SF.

    I think the team led by Lowry Martin and our young guys is a great place to start with a fresh head coach.
     
  8. sammy

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    We also kept our defense when Adelman arrived. It's certainly not his fault that most college teams are bigger than us.
     
  9. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Exactly. We just need the right defensive personnel not Brad "Thanks for the $10 mil coach" Miller. I', 100% sure that signing was all Adelman.
     
  10. Carl Herrera

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    First, I agree about keeping Adelman.

    Whatever complain people have about him are either invalid or at unimportant. Fans b****ed about Jeff Van Gundy, and before him they b****ed about Rudy T. There are no pefect coaches. Or ones who will satisfy every man's opinion as to which player should play.

    The important thing is whether, overall, the coach is getting the roster to play hard and play smart and improve their performance. Adelman's done that: the team is on pace to have a 44-45ish win season, probably a bit better than you'd anticipate knowing Yao was gonna get hurt early. The team is cohesive. Its young guys are showing improvement.

    What more can you ask of a coach? Win a championship with this roster?


    What I mean to say is this: IF they do move on from Adelman, I am anticipating that the front office and the owner may do something totally out of the box. I think hiring a Brad Stevens can be such a move. High risk, will garner a lot of attention and a lot of criticism, but if it works out, could change the trend of NBA hiring practices for a long time.
     
  11. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    I was joking...
     
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    I know money talks, but I think Stevens is a small town Indiana guy and pretty content. Could be wrong, just my thought.

    What needs to happen is, Les tells RA that he's an important part of the Rockets future success and sign him.
     
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  13. CXbby

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    He is?
     
  14. Easy

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    I think there's a difference between a "moneyball coach" and a "moneyball pick of a coach".

    Battier is a moneyball player in the sense that he uses intelligence, data analysis to play the game.

    Chase Budinger is a moneyball pick of a player in the sense that his calculated value exceeds his price. Even Joey Dorsey was a moneyball pick of a player (who didn't pan out--there's no guarantee that moneyball always win).

    Morey will always get moneyball picks in everything, players, coaches, even his staff. That doesn't mean that everyone he hires works on moneyball principles.
     
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    Not sure if it is a good idea to just auto hand the reins over to a coach like Shaka Smart or Brad Stevens.

    As bad as this sounds, I'd let one of the assistant coaches go first, if there was a serious intention of seeing if one of these two men could succeed Adelman.
     
  16. Carl Herrera

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    Well put. Ron Artest was a moneyball pick for a player, but is most definitely NOT a moneyball player.
     
  17. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    That was sort of my mindset, but you explained it much better than I did. I was half serious when I said it. I think Morey is both a moneyball GM and a moneyball pick, so it's sort of up in the air...
     
  18. favhr#12

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    Its gona be jack sigma !!!!!!!!!!
     
  19. heypartner

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    and this isn't actually close to being true. Brown was a ABA and NBA coach for Caroline and Denver prior to ever coaching college. He coached 4 ABA seasons and 3 NBA seasons before coaching college. And then he took a job with New Jersey after UCLA was a big failure. Then he quit on the Nets on their way to a playoff appearance so he could take the Kansas and ride danny mannings coat tails.

    Basically, Brown is an example of an NBA coach being successful in college (Kansas). He wasn't a college coach first.
     
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  20. RoxBeliever

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    wow, this gains more traction as VCU and Butler are now in the NCAA finals.

    We'll see. I think we will get a coaching change soon.
     

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