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Wisconsin Legislators Leave State to Prevent Vote

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Feb 17, 2011.

  1. Dubious

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    Unions are an expression of capitalist self-determination by working people.

    Why do you hate freedom?
     
  2. geeimsobored

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    Every post from you feels like I'm reading an economics textbook from the late 1800s. It's as if economics is a simple logic exercise rather than an actual science, judging from your posts.
     
  3. mc mark

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    Like this cat knows anything about ethics. Hell how many monikers has he gone through here?
     
  4. tallanvor

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    In Wisconsin legal terms it is not a financial bill, but in simple logic it is. The bill does not deal with allocating money in any way, therefore it is not a financial bill legally. That does not mean it's purpose is not to save the taxpayers money and reduce the deficit.

    "self-determination" ?

    People are free to protest at soldiers funerals, doesn't mean I think they should. Employees are free to unionize, doesn't mean I think they should. It also doesn't mean the employer (in this case the government) has to recognize their union.
     
  5. mc mark

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    via TPM --

    What Is Up with Wingers in Indiana?

    Remember back at the height of the union protests in Wisconsin, one deputy Attorney General from Indiana got canned for suggesting Gov. Walker use "live ammunition" on the protestors.

    Well now another genius, a deputy prosector in Johnson County named Carlos Lam has had to resign his office after investigative reporters in Wisconsin determined that during the height of the protests Lam sent Gov. Walker emails suggesting he stage a fake union-backed assassination attempt on Gov. Walker to turn public opinion against the state's unions.

    --Josh Marshall
     
  6. mc mark

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  7. tallanvor

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  8. rtsy

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    And this:

    (Real thugs think they are entitled to the possessions of others)

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    Under siege: Anti-capitalist protesters surround Fortnum & Mason, climbing on the roof to daub activist graffiti before making their way inside. "Tax the rich": Campaigners claim they targeted Fortnum & Mason because its owners are at the centre of a £40million tax avoidance row.

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cuts-protest-200-arrested-500k-march-cut.html
     
  9. thadeus

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    Real thugs would steal rtsy and tallanvor's stuff ... if they had any stuff.
     
  10. rocketsjudoka

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    Considering unions are an outgrowth of capitalism I doubt those protesters are union members or supporters.

    Also you are aware that one of the organizations that led to the downfall of Marxism in Eastern Europe was a union.

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  11. rtsy

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    From the link: (these are the actions of jealous, evil materialists. "TAX THE RICH!!! THEIR STUFF IS SUPPOSED TO BE MY STUFF!!! I AM ENTITLED TO IT!!!")

    Organisers estimated between 400,000 and 500,000 teachers, nurses, firefighters, council and NHS workers, other public sector employees, students, pensioners and campaign groups converged on the capital.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...00-arrested-500k-march-cut.html#ixzz1Hplaf4go


    Some were hellbent on storming – or destroying – any London landmarks synonymous with luxury or money. Others targeted companies associated with tax avoidance.

    Hundreds laid siege to The Ritz hotel, attacking it with paint and smokebombs. A Porsche showroom was also smashed up and upmarket department store Fortnum & Mason was occupied by about 1,000 "activists".
     
  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    That was back when Reagan said the right to collective bargaining was "essential."
     
  13. rtsy

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    Check out the 2:00 mark

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    "...Let me make one thing plain. I respect the right of workers in the private sector to strike. Indeed, as president of my own union, I led the first strike ever called by that union. I guess I'm maybe the first one to ever hold this office who is a lifetime member of an AFL - CIO union. But we cannot compare labor-management relations in the private sector with government. Government cannot close down the assembly line. It has to provide without interruption the protective services which are government's reason for being..."
     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    There is kind of a big difference between striking air traffic controllers (essential personnel) and protesting teachers. As far as I'm concerned, you either support collective bargaining or you don't. I do believe there are some people who just can't be allowed to "strike" like in other industries (essential personnel), but the right to collectively bargain is fundamental.
     
  15. tallanvor

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    You don't get to demand an employer negotiate with your union. You have every right to form a union and an employer has every right to ignore your union. This is whats happened in Wisconsin. The government said we are gonna ignore some unions and offer whatever we think is fair. This is completely ethically and morally appropriate.
     
  16. rtsy

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    Not when it's for tax dollars. Sorry.
     
  17. GladiatoRowdy

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    You're wrong, sorry.
     
  18. rtsy

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    Nobody has a right to collectively bargain for my money.

    Socialist thieves suck hairy ass. Bust union skulls until they bleed to death. BLEED. :)
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    And were the teachers, firefighters and etc. the ones destroying London Landmarks and carrying those particular signs or were those perhaps Anarchists and others? Judging that people in the pics destroying stuff are wearing masks I doubt those are the teachers, firefighters and etc.
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    Although when you spend your money at a private business that is unionized you are also spending your money.

    Again this union helped to bring down Socialism in Eastern Europe. So basically you are parroting the rhetoric of the Polish Communist Party from 1982.

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