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[nba.com]Adelman lacks vote of confidence from Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hayesfan, Mar 23, 2011.

  1. SooneRockStro

    SooneRockStro Member

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    Adelman is on the verge of taking a starting lineup of Hayes, Scola, Budinger, Martin, and Lowry to the freaking playoffs. That's right a 6'6" center, a slow, unathletic PF, a 2nd year/first time starting SF, your only established "star" on the team, and an emerging PG. What the hell does Alexander expect out of Adelman. If anything Rick Adelman is coach of the year.
     
  2. roslolian

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    Of course they did. And that's why C-bud also got exactly 20 mins a game when he was playing like crap, and Miller was also getting 20 mins when the season started while Hill and PP sat on the bench twiddling their thumbs. Brooks got tagged as a bench player, and bench players get 20 minutes a night. That's the only reason, else why would he b**** about brooks getting traded after the deadline?
     
  3. Jimes

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    I am not a Melo lover, but I am an Adelman supporter. I don't see how you can separate system and coaching so easily. Why wouldn't other coaches adopt the system since it's so good that you can be the 9th winningest coach while being horrible?

    Your main evidence that he is a bad coach is his playing Brooks 20 mins a game. While I will not argue that we might have won a game or two more, I think we all know what Brooks is capable of and if Rick thought there was a decent chance that playing him would get his confidence back, then I don't blame him much for that. I think his overall accomplishments overshadow that by many a mile.

    Now, if there really is major coach-management conflict (which is still not clear), that is a problem. Not sure why they wouldn't be able to settle that like men instead of making vague remarks in the media.
     
  4. Shaud

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    When did he b**** about Brooks being traded?

    So Budinger should not have been getting 20 mins a game so who do you suggest those minutes go to?

    PP probably should have been getting more minutes but Jordan Hill has not done much to say he deserves to be getting any quality time.
     
  5. CXbby

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    "Give them some ****ing credit!" The players, I mean.

    People can't prance around talking about how talent wins in this league and then give all the credit to the coach when we are doing well.

    I am not hating on Adelman. He is part of the equation as well.

    PART of the equation. Not THE equation.
     
  6. mattrbowers

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    So you think if these guys were given chances at the beginning of the season we'd be better off for it?

    I would disagree. Patterson (or any rookie) needs to watch and learn. He wouldn't be anywhere near his ability now if he were thrown in having to learn on the fly.

    Also, IMO, if Lowry had been handed the starting job without having to fight for it and earn it, he wouldn't be the bulldog he is showing he can be. It was his strong desire to be starter that kept him getting better and better.

    DM's moves don't mean #$%^ without a coach to get them playing towards their strengths and hiding their weaknesses. But, I just watch ... I'm not involved any further than that, so I could be wrong.
     
  7. roslolian

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    Cxbby and I were just discussing Adelman's rant about his extension. Read between the line he wasn't happy about the trades.

    C-bud shoudn't have gotten 20 mins a game when he was in a sophomore slump early in the season. That's one of the major reasons we lost 5 in a row. After typing out Brooks' game log I've become lazy, just look here at games 1-28, its extremely similar to brooks' statline:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/budinch01/gamelog/2011/

    Who should have played the 3 games 1-28? Honestly it should have been PP, but I wouldn't mention it if Adelman started experimenting instead of continuing to play C-bud 20 mins until he broke off his slump.

    I don't care how badly he has played, even with all the knucklehead plays Hill has played outplayed Miller this season. He should be the coming off the bench before Miller, not the other way around.
     
  8. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    To be honest if we don't land a star via trade this offseason and look toward rebuilding then I won't shed a tear for losing Adelman.

    I would love to get Spolstra here with our young guys if we go young, trade Scola and start over.
     
  9. roslolian

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    Simply put, yes.

    There's a difference between being thrown into the fire and not getting PT. Cousins is thrown into the fire with 30 mins game. PP not getting even a minute of playing time for half a season is called giving a player an NBA league pass. Or are you saying the Wizards should have benched Wall for a half a season too so he could watch and learn? :rolleyes:
     
  10. Shaud

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    He might not have agreed with Batter being traded but I doubt Adelman gives 2 ****s about Brooks being traded considering Brooks walked out on him after Adelman took him out of a game.
     
  11. SooneRockStro

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    Hey man I don't disagree. The players are playing great, but Adelman deserves a ton of credit for putting the pieces (players) into the right places. To have Lowry emerge like this is astonishing IMO. I can't help but think that the coaches have helped him improve so much. I believe Adelman's system also encourages players to be fundamentally sound (the Princeton offense, etc.) and I think it has worked wonders for players like Scola who are not as athletically talented like others in the league. That's the beauty of Adelman's system. He can take just about anyone, within reason, and get them to play well under his system.
     
  12. roslolian

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    Brooks was still getting 13 minutes of PT up until he was traded so RA wasn't that pissed. Someone like squid is clearly in his doghouse, brooks was getting 10 minutes of pt, which is what a backup pg should get so your starter can play 30 mins a game.
     
  13. acsorelle4

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    After the first year of failure I was willing to give him a break under the pretense that it takes time to learn his system. After the second year, I wondered how long it actually took players to learn an offense. Now, if for no other reason, I would hate to lose him for the simple fact that those transition years would be wasted. Plus, the players would then have to learn a new system.

    That being said, as much as I have questioned some of his rotations, he is clearly a great coach and I really don't think we could do any better under the present circumstances. I really hope they resign him.
     
  14. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Wow, I dont agree with any of this.

    Adelman should be here coaching for as long as he wants.

    Alexander needs to take his creepy laugh out of the picture and let Morey make all the decisions.
     
  16. Shaud

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    I think he meant past success. It's also just a PR move to sound nice coaches do it all the time. Whether you choose to believe that coach is up to you. I don't think Adelman lost any sleep over Brooks being gone.
     
  17. roslolian

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    Care to elaborate why? So far the only logical arguments I've seen on this thread are those pointing out Adelman's various flaws. I'm not even sure why people can't get it that Brooks not getting pt is one of the biggest reasons for our success.
     
  18. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    If Les force Adelman out the door for anything less than PJ, Pops, or RudyT, he has lost me.
     
  19. Trackball

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    There's one thing that nobody's touched on that doesn't quite jive with what I remember.

    Wait, if we're talking about four-year spans, what about Rudy T's first four full years, from 1993-1997?

    93/94: 55-27
    94/95: 58-24
    95/96: can't remember, but it wasn't as good due to lots of injuries
    96/97: 57-25

    Or if he's talking about four Adelman seasons, what about his time with the Portland Trail Blazers, where he made it to the Finals twice?

    Am I missing something?

    Don't get me wrong, he's convinced me to keep Adelman around, but this just bugs me.
     
  20. mattrbowers

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    Certainly there are exceptions to everything, so I don't think Wall needed to watch. But I don't have a problem with Patterson watching for a while (roughly half a season), mainly because it's turned him into quite a good player.
     

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