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SF Situation: "No. Other people are playing better. Other people deserve to play."

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Mar 22, 2011.

  1. dobro1229

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    Suprisingly enough, Von actually has more value to NBA teams right now because he can actually be a role player on a NBA team off the bench. Thats Terrence's biggest problem with the Rockets and finding minutes... he just couldn't except a role, and blew plays to run Iso. Bad attitude and the tweets only hurt his cause long term with the front office and coaches.

    The NBA is littered with guys like Terrence & JR Smith who are great athletes who can score at will, but do they help your team win on an NBA level???... Not really, because in order to be effective they need to have the ball in their hands and the rest of the team just sits there and watches them.

    They aren't dominant enough to do it the way Lebron does it, and they cant except a role. They are just stuck in between and in the coaches doghouse and they always will be.
     
  2. dobro1229

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    Thats great to hear that he is not as much of a reliability at the SF spot due to his shooting. Mike Harris is the perfect player to have at the end of your bench. Versatile, reliable, good attitude, and wont whine about playing time.
     
  3. solid

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    As long as Adelman is here, TWill is toast. He is so deep in the doghouse you need a flashlight to even find him. He has done nothing to help his case during the little playing time he has received. He pressed so hard to make an impression he looked terrible. He will either be shipped or he will come around after Adelman is history.
     
  4. Deckard

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    With all due respect, have you been watching the games? Anyone who places the blame for Williams being glued to the end of the bench on Adelman, and not on Williams, could not have watched the same games that I did. He sucked. He sucked hard. He sucked so bad that stealing the ball from his own point guard in order to go one on one against the other team was actually entertaining to watch. He sucked so hard that seeing him standing around with his hands on his hips watching his teammates attempt to run the offense with 4 players actually playing was entertaining. Those are the highlights of Williams' stint, so far, with the Rockets. Adelman is completely blameless.

    This is the big black mark of Morey's tenure. That pick has value and we gave it up for this chump. Maybe he'll finally come around before we give up on him. I'm not holding my breath. I've seen too many players with all world talent, and nothing upstairs, fail in this league.
     
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  5. baller4life315

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    I just don't get it.

    I mean, this dude's character and maturity issues were no secret before we traded for him yet we went through with it anyway.

    Now, we're stuck with a talented malcontent that will never play under Adelman with one less first-rounder to show for it.

    What was the point? You would think DM and RA had some sort of, "Here's a thought _____. Your opinion?" type conversation.

    I don't know. Whatever.
     
  6. ashishduh

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    Yeah except he CAN'T score at will lol. He's statisicly the worst offensive player in he NBA over the last two seasons and his career FG% is in the 30s.

    Hs basically a scrub who thinks he's LeBron, he even makes LeBron type motions on the court, the way he handles the ball and penetrates, etc.
     
  7. JLOBABYDADDY

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    Small forward version of chuck Hayes. Not much talent or skill, but all heart, hustle, and iq.
     
  8. Carl Herrera

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    I think Williams has some of the same issues as Vassilious Spanoulis: He has talent, but has not figured out how to translate such talent into things that help his team win basketball games.

    Both Williams and Spanoulis have good ability to dribble penetrate and good court vision. In lower-level basketball (college, Greek League, D-League) these skills make them capable of being primary ball-handlers, rack up good stats and even help win games. In the NBA, though, too often their dribble penetration lead to nothing since the defenders are smarter, more atheletic and just better overall. At the same time, they are not well-prepared to play roles that demand that they (a) make quick decisions with the ball without holding onto it, and (b) work off the ball either as spot-up shooter or cutters. Both these guys lack reliable jumpers and, what's worse, they both look lost without a ball in their hands.

    This Rockets team is ranked 4th in the league in offensive efficiency, producing 111 points per 100 possessions. Terrence Williams, on the other hand, has so far produced 90 points per 100 possession he uses in his career, most of these minutes racked up last season with the Nets (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willite01.html). Now, these numbers are not the end-all of a player's offensive contribution, but there isn't any question that Williams has not translated his skills into overall efficient offes. As such, I don't see any reason why the Rockets should switch to a Williams-centered offense rather than asking Williams to contribute to what they are doing.

    This is not to say that Williams' on-ball skills have no use to the Rockets. Look at Kyle Lowry. Even before his 3pt shot became consistent this year Lowry was running the team effectively because Lowry makes excellent decisions. Williams is severly lacking in that aspect of the game.
     
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  9. dobro1229

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    Sorry, I meant to say that they can score at will on the blacktop, but on the NBA hardwood, its alot different. There are only a handful of guys who are elite enough to could dominate in an ISO offensive gameplan and WIN. Lebron, Wade, (oldschool) Tmac, and maybe a handful of other great talents.

    Terrence isnt that good, and never will be. However he could be a star somewhere like China, and make alot of money. Something him and his agent should def. consider.

    I didnt know that he was statistically the worst player in the league efficiency wise, but I believe it now.
     
  10. MajorSeanBond

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    For real. I don't know what a whinger is, but Twill is definitely a WHINER who doesn't try
     
  11. MojoMan

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    This.

    And here are his scoring statistics, for those who have bought into the false idea that Terrence Williams can "score at will":

    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/terrence_williams/career_stats.html

    He is just under 40% from the field and is 30% from 3-point range. He also averages 2.6 assists per game, which does not exactly recommend him as a budding point guard.

    Terrence Williams is for all practical purposes a rookie with a fresh start in Houston. Unfortunately for him, he does not seem to realize that.

    Which raises questions about his supposed intelligence, which some people around here have made reference to. If he was as intelligent as some have suggested, he would be working his ass off to try and improve his game and develop his skill set in a way that enables him to contribute to his team.

    If Terrence Williams really believes he is God's gift to basketball, then maybe he will want to negotiate a rescission of his contract with the Rockets in the off season so he can go find the team that will let him play the way he wants to. He goes his way, the Rockets go theirs. No harm, no foul. At this point, that might be the best solution for all concerned.
     
  12. Easy

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    It's pretty clear that getting Williams was a calculated gamble. The NBA is littered with players with natural talent but lack character or maturity. Some never make it, some do. Zach Randolph is probably a good example. After many years, he finally got to a pseudo star level. Guys like Darius Mile, on the other hand, never got it together.

    Williams has talent. He has good size and athleticism. He has very good handle. And the most important is that he has great court vision. (Remember that great full court pass? That was probably the only good play he made in a Rocket uniform but that just shows how good a passer he can be.) These things are attributes for an NBA star player IF he has the IQ to put them all together.
     
  13. Rockets Jones

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    That is good news, since the chance of seeing Mike Harris has increased.
    However, Adelman doesn't seem to be too pleased with the return of the hustler. I feel sorry for Mike, the guy deserves to be in the NBA!
     
  14. Houston_Rockets

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    I have a question.....

    WHY ARE PEOPLE ACTING LIKE THE WORLD ENDS TOMORROW???

    T-will is a a 23 old talented young player, that played on a mediocre team where individual stats were the most important thing.

    Main weakness: Playing off the ball, running threw screens, don´t look stagnant on the offense.

    The most important skill you need to have to play Adelmans offense: PLAYING OFF THE BALL, RUNNING THREW SCREENS.......

    When a big man comes to our team, and doesn´t play immediately, everyone thinks he is learning the system, but when a wing guy, that needs the ball to be effective doesn´t play, he is stupid, no effort, etc, etc.

    I see so many "stupid" (I am sorry to use this word but there is no other) posts from old, intelligent members about this t-will situation, it is not even funny.

    Blaming Adelman....
    Blaming DM......
    Blaming T-will....

    Look, I don´t know what the Rockets are doing with T-will off the court, but they are certainly molding him to be the player we need, because don´t forget, t-will can be a PG, SG and a SF. but there is no need to be all 3.

    And because it is taking alot of time, I am 100% sure that we are molding him to be not the ball handler of our offense, but to be efficient on getting separation not from dribbling but from running screens, we wan´t him to be a SG or a SF, so his natural talent at PG has to be molded so that he still is efficient. But this year it will be difficult for him to play, simply because form what we saw in the limited time, his shooting is irregular, and his shot selection is horrible at times.

    But don´t fool yourself, the Houston Rockets are working on this kid as we speak, there is a reason why he wasn´t sent to the d-league, he doesn´t need playing time on a different situation, he needs to see alot of video, practice alot, keep shooting the ball, and be around these guys to build chemistry and learn to be more of a worker more so then a talker.

    Last time you doubted DM y´all got owned, so I won´t bet against him :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    OWW, I don´t know if you have noticed this, but we are actually winning games, so why bother :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    And by the way, stop overreacting like you were t-will, give the organization time to work this "wild" young talented kid, at the end of the day it will depend on him because he has the talent.

    PeAcE
     
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  15. MojoMan

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    Mike Harris's stats for the Shanghai Sharks:

    29 games played, 34 minutes per game
    24.7 ppg, 14.7rpg, 1.4apg, 1.5spg, 1.2bpg
    59% from the field, 44% on threes, 80% from the line

    I know it is just the CBA, but those statistics look pretty good for Mike. Considering he knows the Rocket's system and has been playing a lot of basketball, he might be able to fill in quite nicely.
     
  16. baller4life315

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    Yeah, I agree with all that.

    It almost seems like an out-of-character type move for DM considering T-Will's poor shooting, high usage rates, etc.

    Oh well, I guess it kind of just is what it is. Luckily, there's still plenty of time before we need to officially throw the book at the guy. Hopefully, being in the doghouse teaches him or lesson or two.
     
  17. DonnyMost

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    Wafer > T-Won't
     
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    I doubt they'd do that after trading a first round pick for him. If Morey believes in his talent, he should appoint someone to work with Williams throughout the offseason.

    Like what Pops did with Jefferson last offseason. I don't understand, maybe out of frustration of playing time Williams chose to do this. Everytime he would finally get in the game he would try and control the ball himself instead of showing the ability of simply setting picks, rolling to the basket...catching his defender off guard by cutting hard to the basket.

    That's his problem...everyone knows hes a decent one on one player...but when he was traded here, he should have been humbled enough to atleast attempt to play within the offense. Gain the trust of coaches, then mix in what he's used to doing. You have to adapt to your environment. I don't think his basketball IQ is as high as DMs usual targets...but I think DM looked past that because of his talent level.
     
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  19. DonnyMost

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    Terrence Williams belongs on a bottom feeder team where he can become an inefficient ballhogging chucker, average 20 points a game, and then land a big money contract with some mediocre team trying to "get over the hump" only to have his playstyle and attitude ruin their chemistry and send them back to the trash heap after they ultimately use him as a salary dump later in his career.
     
  20. MourningWood

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    Without a doubt.
     

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